P: Generated images violate user guidelines

[Hematita]

So as you can see, it's a PG-13 relatively inoffensive image of a woman in a bunny outfit. The top worked fine, and I was able to complete the top ear, which is cool. When I tried to extend the bottom with generative fill, though, I got this warning. They're just a pair of legs wearing stockings, and I wanted to extend it.

It feels like a false flag - though I could be wrong? I find myself thinking it would do the same for women in swimsuits.

Figured I'd share here.

[PeterGJones]

Daft... Maybe. In looking to add a third leg I was looking to see if the bug that causes  generative fill to throw errors still existed in the new photoshop upgrade. It is still there. Inspite of this I have been having more fun with with all these new things to do with photoshop and am looking forward to new things from adobe.

[Николай322196181hro]

Как решить эту проблему? подскажите пожалуйста.

[Gregusaurus]

Oh no: 

"Until November 1, 2023, Creative Cloud, Adobe Firefly, Adobe Express, and Adobe Stock paid subscribers won't be subject to generative credit limits. Starting November 1, 2023, credit limits will apply."

https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html

[daniellei4510]

Where have YOU been? Adobe has made it no secret that this was going to be put into effect once Photoshop was out of public beta, so that those who supply content to Adobe Stock can be paid for the work they submit when used for AI generatation. Where else can you use AI without paying for it or at least getting or accumulating credits when using their software? Boy. First people complain that artists and photographers are being ripped off by AI, now people are complaining when they are compensated. Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

[Guest]

a mi me quitaron el acceso por cambiar un vestuario(creo) como podria recuperar el acceso? 

[zvi_t]

Where else can you use AI without paying for it?

By @daniellei4510  

Stable Diffusion. Along with open source plugins for Stable Diffusion inside Photoshop.

There are other ways to get money for the photo submitters without credits. Put ads at the bottom of the GF window.

[Sarah27914909k9u3]

When I get six-fingered people, I just say to them, "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@defaultyfp7chz9kt23 please abide by the forum rules. First warning.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/using-the-community-discussions/adobe-support-community-guidelines/td...

[gadget13769]

Couldn't source material providers be paid from the money we are already paying to Adobe to use the software?

[daniellei4510]

Well...this is probably a bad example, but couldn't the dealer I bought my car from three years ago pay to have it fixed from the profit they made when they sold me the car originally? Business doesn't work that way. Well...it does to a point. They might throw in a a couple of free oil changes, not to mention a warranty for the first few thousand miles. But they can't provide such additional services forever. And, if I read the the terms and conditions correctly, moderate use of Generative Fill will potentially still be free given the monthly credits involved. I assume that means receiving more credits if one has purchased the entire Creative Suite compared to the Photoshop package alone.

[DavKa88]

The problem with providing limited credits (in effect charging for the service on a metered basis) is that the technology, while very good, is still less than 50% accurate.  Meaning, that multiple generations usually have to be made just to sort through the errors, thus burning credits because of error.  Additionally, many credits will be used only to receive "policy violation" notices and no image.  The aspect of receiving violation notices indicates in a way that the technology service is not really a professional tool.  Because I appreciate the technology advances, I would be willing to pay more in a fixed rate but the aspect of limited credits is very troublesome.  

[daniellei4510]

Well there's certainly a lot that still needs to be worked out. I'm still confused how this credit stuff will work within Photoshop itself, as opposed to working specifically with Firefly. I don't have a lot of experience with AI outside of Midjourney and purchased minutes can get used up pretty quickly when one is trying to generate something fairly specific. I'm asumming that one would not be charged for inaccurate or even purposeful violation errors, as no results are generated in any case. Or at least we aren't given access to them. I'm sure adjustmments will be made going forward as things progress.

Never the less, I applaud Adobe for being what I believe is the first to make sure creators are compensated for their work. And I think the technology will trickle down to other AI platforms, though that will most likely have to take place through the court system if other platforms don't do so voluntarily.

[RLeintzPhotos]

The way I've seen other companies do this is that they only charge you credits when you upscale or remove watermarks from an image. That could be something to look at. That way, you don't burn credits trying to get hands to look right, but only use credits once you decide to actually use the result that's produced. Although, I have to say, Midjourney doesn't do this and they just have a paid version for the number of generations you want created at a time. An easier system, imo 

[daniellei4510]

One beneficial thing that Midjourney finally got around to doing is generating four full-sized examples, so that chosing the versions you like don't have to spend minutes upscaling the the ones selected. In fact, if one wanted to put in the extra time, the four results can be copied and pasted into Photoshop and cropped, saving a few more seconds of valuable minutes.

[defaultyfp7chz9kt23]

My rior comment was removed for being to abrasive, but more than likely it told the truth. So let me be clear as day, Generative Credits is a horrendous, exploitative and greedy implementation. This is a buisness tactic akin to loot boxes and battle passes in game industry. The fact is that we already pay for generative fill with our adobe cloud subscriptions. Generative fills development could not have existed without the reliance on adobe customers and yet this is how we are rewarded. The idea that you should pay more for so called "perks" that should already be gaurenteed, expecially in a global recession, is absurd and unacceptable. 

[MontyWales]

I agree. I took out a sub BECAUSE of the AI thats what I bought into , not to be charged AGAIN .  

[MontyWales]

Also its not that good if you live outside of the USA. All the 'stock' images seem to be American based anyway 

[daniellei4510]

Everyone needs to calm down and keep themselves informed:

https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html

People with specific plans will receive a given number of credits per month. If your credits are used up, you will not be charged but the generative fill process may slow down until your credits are newed.

Relax.

[daniellei4510]

REnewed. And in the meantime, don't use GF when Content Aware Fill or the Remove tool will accomplish the same thing most of the time when it comes to removing objects.

[zvi_t]

@daniellei4510 

As it says there, in addition to slowing down, you might also run into a cap, and not be able to generate without credits.

I've mentioned before, putting ads on the bottom of the GF window would generate much more income for Adobe, and not piss off so many loyal customers. Win-win.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@zvi_t An ad may not "piss you off" but it sure would be a huge distraction for my workflow and tick me off.

Look at the blow back Adobe got when they had a partnership for the splash screen with Amazon's Lord of the Rings show.

Pitchforks and torches just for a damn splash screen!

[gadget13769]

A DEFINITE "NO" to ads from me, too.

[J E L]

@daniellei4510 re: I'm still confused how this credit stuff will work within Photoshop itself.

As a recap, effective November 1, 2023, credit limits will apply:

• Creative Cloud All Apps plans get 1,000 monthly generative credits.
• Creative Cloud Single App plans get 500 monthly generative credits.
• Free users with an Adobe ID (using Adobe Express, Adobe Firefly, Creative Cloud) get 25 monthly credits.
• The consumption of generative credits depends on the generated output's computational cost and the value of the generative AI feature used. There is a generative credits usage rate table at the link below.

Note, generative credits don't roll over to the next month, and credit counts will reset each month. Generative credits aren't pooled and can't be shared across multiple users. Standard resolution imagery is up to 2000 x 2000 pixels.

All the details are here: https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html

[Graham24508943nobd]

Well I'm giving up on Photoshop in a few weeks I just can't afford the astronomical monthly cost, so It seems to me like the credit scheme is certainly a no go for me. IT sucks that the credits yoou have remaining don't roll over. BAD move for a start 

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@Graham24508943nobd not trying to "upsell" you but have you considered the Photoshop Photography plans? They start at $9.99/mo currently and include credits.