P: Generated images violate user guidelines

[Hematita]

So as you can see, it's a PG-13 relatively inoffensive image of a woman in a bunny outfit. The top worked fine, and I was able to complete the top ear, which is cool. When I tried to extend the bottom with generative fill, though, I got this warning. They're just a pair of legs wearing stockings, and I wanted to extend it.

It feels like a false flag - though I could be wrong? I find myself thinking it would do the same for women in swimsuits.

Figured I'd share here.

[Graham24508943nobd]

I've been saying the same thing since the last update, it's been dreadful and MUCH MUCH worse. Loads of colourbleeding, poor removals and hideous generations

[E250916993jnw]

Lol, yeah it scares me sometimes when a randed unexpected humanoid (we shall call them that for the time being) appears in my generation. 

What is good is you can copy and paste elements into pictures and then generate the edges to make them look seamless. That actually works well when you use the period trick. 

[PixelDreamer]

Yes. Sadly, we can say that Adobe's algorithm is not working as we all expected. There are times when even the simple act of replacing a missing hand or foot is impossible. It's really very random and very bizarre and, frankly, very annoying. On top of that, 90% of the time the faces, arms, hands, and legs are completely out of proportion or completely twisted. It's like a nightmare vision or like modeling clay. It's very weird and kind of disturbing. Hahaha!

[active_care01AC]

PS 25.0.0

MacOS 13.4.1

Gen Fill is stubbling over non-offensive objects

[active_care01AC]

I should mention that the image in question was a blemish on a map. I am checking the map over for scan issues, scan lines, overly large spots, etc.

[Graham24508943nobd]

I was trying Stable diffusion just now and some of the human figures generated there were just as hideous as what we're getting on here

[Sef McCullough]

The user-reported solution for entering a period (.) in the generate dialog is not workgin for me fyi. Still can't get around the vilation error. I haven't been noticing any kind of gender bias though, just that if I'm trying to generate (well, remove actually - GF is my go-to magical weapon for scene cleanup/declutter) anything that is close to the color of human skin it throws the error.

Gen Fill was working so beautifully just a short time ago! I rest assured it'll be back to full operation soon, we need to all give respect to our fantastic Photoshop team, they are very responsive. And they move like *cats*!

[daniellei4510]

True enough. I often get the feeling that the people complaining most about Gen Fill have little or no prior experience with text to image AI. It's just something that's inherent in the majority of AI platforms. 

[Giovanni30944935gd4t]

About the quality and deformity problems, there are solutions (yes i would prefer better automatic generation too), you need precision and a little time but at least you can work on it.

1 Make sure selection (also working on entire backgrounds etc) is quite precise.

2 Make selection "bleed" some pixels inside the object around, for example, if you want to convert a long sleeve tshirt in a short one, select all the arm, make an expand selection over borders of few pixels (usually high res photos 15px is enough, low res even 5 pixels), and make sure that a little skin from the hand is selected, try with prompts like "skin" "short sleeve" etc.

3 Sometimes you have to work in pieces, cause AI doesn't accomplish in its randomness. Using the example above you have to divide the arm in pieces, starting from the hand, cause the AI often takes what it has around, so if you start from the hand, taking skin, and replicate for every piece, at the end you should have a complete arm with short sleeve, if you have some differences in skin, now that is all skin you can select the strange stains (don't forget to bleed pixels in good skin) and put "skin" or "." as prompts and try.

4 for some things you have to make a particular selection, for example an hand with a baseball bat, you have to contour the hand, give the selection a shape similar (but rounded) to that of a hand with a baseball bat, than add a selection of a shape similar to a baseball bat (it can also be a rectangle or elliptic, but it should contain a baseball bat), if it doesn't work at first shot, replicate steps above.

5 sometimes you have to work with pieces of copy and paste, for example you are working on an hand, 3 fingers are good, 2 deformed, take the 3 good ones, copy (copy also what is around, like space between etc) and paste on the original, merge levels, now you have an hand with 3 good fingers and the old one merged, select the rest of the old hand, make sure selection includes some pixels of the good part, and generate again.

think that most important problem now is guidelines

[Giovanni30944935gd4t]

@CShubert 

I think the real problem is all those guidelines are not good for customers and sometimes they are discriminative.

chubby and fat for example violate the guidelines, a fat person is against guidelines? fat belly is a like a combo of guidelines violations...
In what world "Belly" is against some guideline?? we can do it manually with liquify etc, why not making it easier with ai?

Why all anatomic names are forbidden? belly? belly button? really? i can't add a belly button, but i have to hope generative Ai will produce one random using other prompts? and this is for almost all anatomic parts: breasts(not adult industry people don't have breasts?), torso, chest, abdomen... 

i think you should focus on generative results quality instead of banning all the words in the world.

[Andreas29769092ori2]

Generatives Füllen ohne Prompts (also ohne Texteingabe) erzeugt fast immer einen Richtlinien Verstoß und funktioniert nicht.

[Thoughtfission]

Adobe Photoshop beta is rejecting pretty much all generative fills that involve people's skin. It says I am violatiing Adobe's rules but I am not. These images do not contain nudity or any other undesirable attributes. Can you please help?

[SilmarilCreator]

So I'm aware generative fill is not meant to create nudity, but i have a bunch of sexy pictures where some of them include nudity and the images themselves are smaller than I'd like & i wish to extend the canvas to my preferred desktop size (2560x1440) & then have the generative fill, fill out the background.

Is this still possible and okay in regards to the terms of service?

I don't want to start a subscription only to find out I can't use it for the main purpose i wanted it for.

[Ged_Traynor]

@SilmarilCreator you can read the user guidelines here

https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

[SilmarilCreator]

Thanks Ged,

But the reason i ask is because i don't find the user guideline specific enough to understand whether my scenario is allowed within those guidelines.

As i understand it, it says: Do not use the generative AI to create pornographic material or explicit nudity, but i'm only interested in using the generative fill functionality to create boring backgrounds. However the original parts of the image could contain nudity.

[mrphototx]

I was trying to extend the image below, and GF did fantastic on the left, right and top, but when it came to the bottom, I got a violations error!  THAT IS HER ARM!!!  There is NOTHING wrong with this image and it should not have been flagged. And thanks to AI's failure to know what an arm is, I have multiple violation errors reported on my account!  Remove them, and fix this.

[Graham24508943nobd]

I'm sure 99.9 % of us have dozens of violation errors for no reason what so ever. Ignore them and carry on as normal

[pd2494014855]

I am not even doing anything in the body of a person now. See the white area I am selecting. I Just need to extend the background of this photo (a classroom with children), so the image adjusts to the different formats I need to generate and it won't let me, telling me it violates the guidelines.... I definitely understand the need to regulate these tools, but the restrictions need to be smarter.

[Graham24508943nobd]

when I was doing a scene, I typed in child. VIOLATING GUIDELINES.    I typed in kid... Works fine.  Bloody daft !!

[daniellei4510]

Are you using Generative Fill or Generative Extend, which is new in the latest version of photoshop?

[3Hounds]

I installed the latest update of PS Beta this morning (25.0), worked on 3 images... 2 Female headshots and 1 Boudoir/Lingerie shot. I received no guidlines warnings and no scary monster generations. No fingers or toes in any of the shots, so time will tell.

I did have to rerender multiple times to get results that I could blend in to a satisfactory result, but it was a lot less time and effort than doing it the old way... meaning 1 month ago.

[yassine249163050owt]

I would like to express my deep concern regarding the implementation of restrictive "woke" guidelines within your creative platform. As a long-time user of Adobe products, I have always admired the company's commitment to empowering artists and creators to express themselves freely. However, recent experiences have left me feeling frustrated and disheartened.

Specifically, I encountered an issue while attempting to generate an image of a fit person using Adobe's platform. To my surprise, I found that my creative endeavors were hindered by these guidelines, which appeared to limit the visual representation of certain body types or traits.

As a user, I firmly believe in promoting inclusivity and diversity within the creative space. Artists should have the liberty to depict individuals of all shapes, sizes, and backgrounds without fear of running afoul of rigid guidelines. Creativity thrives when it knows no boundaries, and by imposing restrictions on harmless visual elements, the very essence of artistic expression is compromised.

It is essential to recognize that portraying a fit person is not synonymous with promoting body shaming or exclusivity. Fitness is a lifestyle choice for many individuals, and it should be celebrated as part of the diverse human experience, not restricted by guidelines that may inadvertently limit creativity.

I implore Adobe to reconsider the application of these restrictive guidelines and adopt a more balanced approach that encourages artists to explore a wide range of ideas and representations. By providing educational resources and support, Adobe can help creators approach sensitive subjects with tact and respect, rather than outright prohibiting certain visuals.

Moreover, transparency and open dialogue with the creative community are crucial. Collaborating with artists, designers, and users to gain insights into their concerns and aspirations will lead to a more nuanced and effective approach to inclusivity.

In conclusion, I urge Adobe to reevaluate the impact of these "woke" guidelines on creative expression. Let us work together to foster an environment that celebrates diversity, promotes responsible creativity, and respects the rights of artists to express themselves freely.

[DavKa88]

Generative Fill policy violation sensitivity has gotten WORSE not better with the new update release that contains "generative expand".  It is painfully frustrating.  I've been using and testing generative fill since it was released and applaude its capabilities.  I've also read the many, many issues users are having with the policy violations.  However, up until now, I was able to extend a background on a glamour image (such as a landscape) without raising the ire of the policy judge.  Now I am consistently limited....to the point of frustration.  This generative AI feature is turning into a toy, not a professional tool.  If that trend is what AI will do to Photoshop in the future then users will quickly become ex-users.

[default9yx46xzit3lm]

Absolutely unusable. Given up

[yassine249163050owt]

You're absolutely right. If Adobe's AI feature is restricted by their own policies to the point where it hinders creative freedom and imposes significant limitations, it would be ethically questionable to heavily advertise the feature without transparently communicating these restrictions to users, or abadon the feaure all together.