P: Grouping layers clipped in a clipping mask.

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Community Expert ,
Feb 04, 2014 Feb 04, 2014

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There was a request that became a feature to be able to use a layer group as the base of a clipping group, (http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh... ) but I was facing the opposite need yesterday: be able to group layers that are being clipped in a clipping mask.

My goal was to mask several clipped layers, and organize my layers panel; there is no way to group layers that are part of a clipping mask. (The add layer group icon is not greyed out, but dragging the layers to the group removes them from the clipping mask)

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Participant ,
Feb 04, 2014 Feb 04, 2014

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I’d love to be able to clip a group to a layer. Layer nesting indentation is getting very confusing though! I bet we could make some documents that would trip up other designers who weren’t paying close attention.

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Feb 04, 2014 Feb 04, 2014

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I'm not 100% sure I understand PECourjoie's use case, but could you not have grouped all those layers together, and then added your clipping mask to the group as a whole? This works in CS6 and CC, but not in versions older than CS5 if I recall.

There are 2 scenarios I can think of - you've probably tried them and they're not what you're looking for, but here they are in case you haven't:

1. Take all your layers that are clipped plus the base layer that they're clipped to and throw them in a group (CTRL-G). Now, drag the mask / shape of the base layer and make it the clipping mask for the entire group. As of CS5 (I think) you can apply layer f/x to the Group itself, so any f/x you had on the base layer might need to be moved to the Group.

2. Take all your layers plus the base layer, and just group them all together (including the base layer). This should not change the clipping or the f/x in any way as far as I can tell.

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LEGEND ,
Feb 04, 2014 Feb 04, 2014

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Definitely have had the need for that!

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Community Expert ,
Feb 06, 2014 Feb 06, 2014

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Tom, scenario number one is not possible: you cannot put a group inside a clipping mask, hence this very request.
Scenario two is not what I'm after.
In the attached image, I might want to group together some of the clipped layers.
Or I might want to mask the three highlighted layers. Right now, I would have to mask them three with the same layer mask. Would they be grouped, one mask would let me control them together.

Or do you mean that I can group everything, and replace the clipping mask by a vector mask? Yes, But I might have a smart object as the base of the clipping mask, and there are no smart masks...

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Enthusiast ,
Feb 06, 2014 Feb 06, 2014

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Yes, I was suggesting that an option would be to group all 4 items (the curve, the 2 flags AND the ellipse), and then using the shape of the ellipse, set that as the vector mask on the group.

But I see that this would be less than optimal in your case because you would like the flexibility of resizing the ellipse or moving it and automatically changing the mask.

In your example file here my approach might be to replace Ellipse 1 altogether. In fact, you don't really need it, do you? Instead of an elliptical base layer, use an elliptical vector mask on the group.

But I'm sure this is a simplified example. The better example would be some close-cropped Smart Object - say of a person or something complex - that you might want to be able to go back later and re-edit its transparency.

In that case, the only real option is to select all 4 layers and just Group them up. This at least cleans up your workspace a little and keeps them organized.

This will probably be pretty low on Adobe's list, but I certainly can confirm a use case for letting a Group be clipped by a base layer. Just the other day I was wishing to be able to create nested clipping groups - I wonder whether allowing a group to be clipped would as a secondary benefit, enable a reasonable UI for nested clipping?

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LEGEND ,
Jul 01, 2015 Jul 01, 2015

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I know this is a year old, but I also would like to see this happen as well.

I also have the same opinion that it's nice that Photoshop does 3D now, but honestly I would rather see better functions for smart objects, masking, and groups.

If I want to do 3D I can go to Blender, Maya or Cinema 4D, but if I want to make a seamless background asset for my 3D environment, I need to use Photoshop, and a lack of some key functions makes it that much harder.

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Participant ,
May 02, 2016 May 02, 2016

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With the improvements made to the vector object transforms (rounded corners that maintain size when transforming, etc) I find I am using shape layers as clipping masks a LOT, but the limitation of not being able to clip a layer-group to an individual shape layer would make that even better.

Case in point, I can make a dialog frame using a shape layer and styles. I can then make a layer group with a bunch of background elements and clip it to that same frame shape layer. DONE.

As it stands now, I would need to make an alpha or vector mask for the group that would need updating if the frame size changed.

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LEGEND ,
Jun 01, 2016 Jun 01, 2016

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I have the same need.

Creating a simple form text field with an icon and its separate background like these
http://i1-scripts.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Mini-Collection-for-Prefix---Postfix-Input-Form_1...

Firstly creating the outer text field container with a border radius and then positioning the icon's own square background shape flush left and then clipping that to the field so that it stays inside the border radius.

Works fine until I want to organize the icon & the square into its own group. Being able to clip the icon group to the layer below would be useful, instead of having to then put a border radius on the square's top and bottom left.

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Adobe Employee ,
Jul 20, 2016 Jul 20, 2016

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Do we have news on this important topic?
Would be really useful!

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 22, 2017 Feb 22, 2017

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It would be really great to be able to apply clipping masks on groups.

In other words a group could be clipped by the layer (whatever its type, even if it is another group) below it and on which it is associated.

This would be very consistent with the behaviors already existing regarding the clipping masks and would be so much helpful!

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LEGEND ,
Feb 22, 2017 Feb 22, 2017

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I am still Very surprised this is not a feature yet, to be able to clip a group to the layer underneath it is almost a standard with any other art program.
 

a example of this is in Manga studio/Clip studio paint

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Where you can take the contents of the entire folder and use the folder itself to clip on to the layer below. Easy,

while still being able to edit the layers inside the folder without having to go out of your canvas like you have to when you use a smart object. Simple to use, and VERY handy for when you want to do editing on any of the layers.

 

This is a extremely important feature for Concept artists like me because it allows us to clip color groups onto grayscale value drawings.

having the ability to clip a group to the layer below will also create less mess, currently right now i have to clip each layer individually to my greyscale drawing. sometimes between 10-20 layers just floating around. this makes it difficult to add effects because if you break that chain then it wont show anything above it.

 

The only ways of doing this at the moment are very cumbersome and time wasting, either you have to make a group into a "smart Object" and then clip that, (The problem with this is if you want to quickly edit something in that it takes you out of your canvas, so you have no idea where the rest of the image is)

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(when you edit a "smart Layer")

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or set up a "Action set" where you put a layer mask of the selected layers below. ( the problem with this is if you do any editing to the layer you are "clipping" to, the Mask on the folder doesn't change with it, and it has to be reapplied manually.)

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(when you need to edit the layer below, it doesn't change the layer mask)

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Please adobe, this is a much needed feature for a LOT of people like me, all the people at my school agree that it should be a feature.

 

I hope that the examples and arguments make it clear of what we want for this clipping feature.

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LEGEND ,
Apr 25, 2017 Apr 25, 2017

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i am also in need of this feature in photoshop
there have been several times where i needed to clipping mask a group into a layer and have had to kind of do double duty fixing a layer mask for a group with items clipped within and then editing a layer or group of layers under it with the same type of result

just the thought of being able to nest the group within a layer and use that one layer of pixel data to do what i need to do would be phenomenal

there is some need for this so if you would be ever so inclined to take our request into consideration, that would be awesome!!!

love peace and photoshop 

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Community Beginner ,
Oct 26, 2017 Oct 26, 2017

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Upvote! Need this.

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Explorer ,
Aug 15, 2018 Aug 15, 2018

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This would be hugely helpful. The use case I have in mind is for animation when you want to overlay light or shadows on an object.

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LEGEND ,
Aug 30, 2018 Aug 30, 2018

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I agree that this would be a huge help.

There has been multiple ocassions where I would have loved to have this feature but instead was forced to use clunky workarounds and manually create masks. This works but you lose a lot of flexibility when you want to make changes to the base layer.

Please implement this!

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LEGEND ,
Jun 17, 2019 Jun 17, 2019

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Upvoooooote!

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LEGEND ,
Oct 18, 2019 Oct 18, 2019

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This is still a needed function. I like to draw my shapes in Illustrator and transfer over to PS for shading. I end up shading every shape with a minimum of 2 layers and as many as 10. Having a clipping train gets cluttered very quickly. Creating folders with clipping masks loses the ability to preview the base shape, with color.  I even made an action converting a shape to a masked folder, but still, none of these workarounds would compare to just being able to group and clip shading to a layer.

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Participant ,
Oct 18, 2019 Oct 18, 2019

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Has anyone experimented with "knockout" layers? Not sure if it really solves the issue, but you can put a layer of any type above your other layers in a group and have its shape essentially be a free-floating mask layer.
1. rt click on layer and hit "Blending Options..."
2. in Advanced Blending change Knockout to "shallow" (it only knocks out within the containing group)
3. Set fill opacity to 0% (this is important... knockout effect is controlled by fill) or nothing happens
4. Paint into the layer or make a mask and paint that...

It's reverse of regular masking... more opaque pixels "knock out" (erase) more.

Advantages over masks and clipping masks are that these layers can be moved around within the groups, have multiple overlapping, and affected by layer comps more easily ( have 3 different shapes and toggle between them in comps!)

Here's a... really eye-peelingly ugly example!


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Explorer ,
Nov 25, 2019 Nov 25, 2019

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I would love to see this implemented as well. I have to do this using smart objects but that takes you out of the file you are working in into the .psb file of the smart object. You loose all reference to how it relates to the whole image.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 07, 2020 Mar 07, 2020

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Why 6 years later this is still a dream???  Seriously?

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Participant ,
Jan 04, 2021 Jan 04, 2021

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7 Years and counting. But hey, they updated the "Fire" filter that nobody uses, so there's that I guess?

:'(

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Explorer ,
Jan 23, 2021 Jan 23, 2021

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I'm wondering if Adobe can take a look at implementing this. I see that this issue is over 7 years old at this point, but CSP recently implemented this as a working feature and I've been working with someone who primarily uses CSP in their workflow.

This arrangement would work out great since they can export as PSD's, but it has been a bit of a nightmare because they heavily use shading layers (using multiply on the group and normal on the stacked shadow layers) in their workflow. When they send the files to me the grouped layer stacks are preserved (photoshop seem to understand grouped clipping layers) but they do not visually display properly. I have to merge every single group in order for the canvas to show anything correctly.

I would prefer not to make the move to CSP, but it's becoming dominant in the 2d art area and these small issues have been adding up as CSP updates far more often with features Photoshop is lagging behind in for my specific field.

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New Here ,
Jan 23, 2021 Jan 23, 2021

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The first thing thhttps://vimeo.com/450654108at comes to mind is that Photoshop can't and won't and never will. There are tons of things that it will NEVER DO, such as Lassoing Things in the Timeline. It will never happen. Anyway I wonder why you would want to .It's OK the way it is, I guess.

I should strongly urge that you Change your Tactics and begin to use the Timeline Panel to organize your Layers. You can bunch assets along the Timeline, even throw the Odd Video in there. Videos are treated the same as anything else. The worst is the Video Grouping procedures. Just abandon all hope when using Video Layers. They work beautifully but they have been known to Eat things indiscriminately.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Explorer ,
Jan 23, 2021 Jan 23, 2021

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@Gerald_Pavalko

Unfortunately this doesn't work when working in a production pipeline with someone who uses a different program 😞 

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Participant ,
Jan 24, 2021 Jan 24, 2021

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Ah, seems I'm not the only one! I was tasked with working in a project from a CSP user and restructuring the layers to get it to work cost almost as much as a copy of CSP, which I am also on the brink of jumping to.

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