P: MOGRT "Render and Replace" shows incorrect result and replaces files

[Det Scholz]

Using MOGRT in Timeline and changes e.g. text value. "Render and Replace" renders .mov-File with default values! After "Restore Unrendered" and again "Render an Replace" rendered .mov-File is correct. Using MOGRT multiply times in timeline "Render an Replace" always use same filename (not increasing) and replace files thats leads to error retrieving frames.

Steps to reproduce: 

1. Import MOGRT via Graphics Templates-Panel multiple times to Timeline
2. Change e.g. text value
3. Render and Replace (Source: Sequnece, Format: Quicktime, Prest: Match Source - Apple ProRes444, Location: Next to Original Media) - select clip for clip (not selct mulitple clips)

• Result: Renderd .mov-File shows wrong (default) values, all rendered .movs gets same filename, error retrieving frame 
• Expected result: Rendered .mov-File show right values, multiple files gets increasing filenaming

V25.5V25.3

Bug exists in Version 25.5 and still in Beta 25.6.0 (74) not in Version 25.3

System:

Mac Studio 2023 (M2 Max), OS Sequoia 15.7, Premiere Pro 25.5.0 (13)

[jamieclarke]

Hi @Det Scholz -  Thanks for submitting your bug report. We need a few more details to try to help with the issue.

Where is your footage stored?

Does the same thing happen if you copy a mogrt to your internal hard drive?

Sorry for the frustration.

[Det Scholz]

Hey @jamieclarke ,

same error when setting scratch-disk to the local document-folder!

Bug is also seen in V25.4.1. So we will roll back to V25.3 to be safe with our graphics.

[jamieclarke]

Hi @Det Scholz - Render and Replace isn’t determined by the scratch disk, but by the location of your media. Could you try moving your media to your internal hard drive and let us know if the issue persists?

[Det Scholz]

I don't quite understand what you mean. When I import a MOGRT, it is unzipped and imported into the (local) scratch directory.
I have now copied the original MOGRT file to the local disk and imported it into Premiere.
The error occurs here as well. I think, it's not a local / server issue

[jamieclarke]

Hi @Det Scholz -  Where did you get the mogrt?  Can you email the mogrt to jamiec@adobe.com 

[jamieclarke]

HI @Det Scholz -  Thank you for reporting this. I was able to reproduce the issue and have filed a bug report. We’ll update this thread as soon as we have more information to share.

[John V Knowles]

If you add video effects to a clip and "Render and Replace" with the Include Video Effects box checked, the resulting rendered clip will retain the video effects albeit greyed out with a (Rendered) note next to them. Restoring the unrendered versions will unlock the effects and allow them to be adjusted again.

Doing the same process on an AUDIO clip does not have the same results. After Render and Replace the audio effects are stripped out, and resoring the clip does not return the effects to the clip; they are gone.

A client has reported this in v24 and I have reproduced the issue in 25.5. Only workaround is to stack the rendered clip in the timeline so that the effects are at least maintained when the clip is returned to it's unrendered state (useful for an audio turnover at least)

Mac Studios (Sonoma and Sequioa), v24.? and v25.5. Audio is embedded in ProRes clips or separate WAV files.

[R Neil Haugen]

That's an ouch! Thanks for posting John, I'll try to check tomorrow on PC ...

[John V Knowles]

Yes, thanks Neil. Please let me know if you can replicate this.

[Sumeet Kumar Choubey]

Hi John,

Thanks for bringing this to our notice. I am able to reproduce this behaviour. I will get it checked by our team.

Regards,

Sumeet

[R Neil Haugen]

Okay, this is very very weird.

I applied both several things in the ESP and then added a Parametric EQ to the clip ... then did a render & replace to ProRes422 sequence/include effects ... and the effects are all still visible in both the ECP and the ESP ... but the clip plays without any of them actually applied, and is very quiet.

Again, select the r&r clip, the ECP and the ESP both show the effects I had applied as-was.

BUT ... the waveform on the clip is back to the very low input state, and clearly no audio effects were applied or are being applied now.

Even though they show with the clip.

[alexanderschmidt]

I have a similar problem here. Every instance of a MOGRT prerendered via "render and replace" results in the same renderfile (same name) hence previously r&r-rendered instances are replaced with the latest rendering. Haven't had this issues about two months ago(?). Good to know, that this seems to be a bug.