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We'll find out soon enough! 
Proof that Adobe is listening = usable subclip creation/organization workflow in PP, IMO. This isn't something that might be nice to have. It's an essential part of a complete, intelligent workflow that serves the basic needs of editors. Sure we can manage to edit without it (with PP, we have until now), but sometimes you only find out all that you've been missing when you finally get it (as I did when learning FCPX, which has a phenomenal subclip creation/organization workflow, but little else going for it).
WE... HAVE... THROUGH... EDITS!!!! Thank you Adobe! !!!! Can't wait to try it out!
jstrawn wrote:
I didn't just escape from the evil empire 😉
That made me laugh! Funny thing though is there's so much to gain from FCP, as we're now seeing with some of the announced new features borrowed from FCP7. I really liked FCP in its time, but it has become stagnant since Apple abandoned it, and PP started winning the race in CS5 IMO.
Unless Apple surprises us all with a truly amazing update to FCPX at NAB, I can see a flood of FCP7 editors coming over to Premiere after waiting 2 years for Apple to deliver the goods.
My message to all Final Cut Pro 7 users would be: Welcome to Premiere, the FCP8 version you were waiting for... but delivered by Adobe! 
Good, because I didn't want anyone to think I was just bashing the competition like some kinda smarmy saleseman or, worse yet, a politician. I love apple products as much as anyone, but I'm glad to help fill the gap they left with FCP.
I saw a preview of FCPX recently, and they do have 'focus on the pro' marketing angle now, but I think the consensus so far has been too little too let. But it will be interested what the actual users think of it all next week. In any case, it's definitely the most exciting NAB buzz I can remeber in years... Probably since the last great battle of the HD-disk wars.
PierreLouisBeranek wrote:
WE... HAVE... THROUGH... EDITS!!!! Thank you Adobe!
Through edits is now a feature of the next version of Premiere Pro. So is removing them.
I knew that would make some users happy!
I have never had such a problem, but apparently others have, and especially if they converted from FCP7.
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Hi cmataxis,
Yes, coming from FCP it is difficult to understand why PP doesn't have an indicator for 'through-edit' as well as a basic 'join through-edit' function. To be fair though, FCP didn't have this either for several versions, but now that the 'cat is out of the bag', you'd think that other companies would jump at the opportunity to integrate these kind of ideas.
I have 2 possible explanations:
- Apple has patented this feature, thereby restricting other companies from offering this great tool.
- Adobe hasn't put this high up enough on the priority list to address this missing tool that many editors, you and myself included, would love to see in PP.
If it's #1, there's little we can do. If it's #2, we can encourage Adobe to get this added by sending our official FRs here: https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform&promoid=EWQQL.
Hope this helps! BTW, welcome to Premiere Pro! How do you like it so far? FCP has many strong points but PP is much better overall IMO.
Hi Zooropa75,
The 'through-edit' indicator wouldn't need to inform you of whether or not part of the clip has any filters ('Effects' in PP) applied since a visual indicator already exists. Notice the small purple lines in the left side of these clips in the picture? That's a visual indication in the Timeline that 1 or more Video Effects have been applied (visible whether a track is twirled up or down, as the picture shows). This also works for effects applied to audio.
Now, applying any Motion settings doesn't bring up this visual indicator, so that's still a problem.
You bring up an excellent point BTW! If we could join 'through-edits' in PP as we can in FCP7, how would PP deal with effects present in only part of the clip? Perhaps a pop-up menu when right-clicking on the 'through-edit' indicator could give users some options:
Join through edit:
- preserve effects from left side
- preserve effects from right side
Another option would be for the 'through-edit' indicator to only appear when both pieces of the clip have identical properties/effects. Thus cut a clip with an effect in two, the indicator appears. Remove or add an effect to one piece, the 'through-edit' indicator disappears.
Any thoughts on what might be the better one of these two options? I don't remember how FCP7 deals with this. If you know Zooropa75, please fill us in!
Hope this helps. Cheers!
I think I've come up with an excellent solution to the Through-Edit dilemma that Zooropa75 pointed out.
This is what through edits look like in FCP7
To delete the through edit, you just select the edit point (as you can now do in PPCS6) and hit delete. Through-edit gone!
But FCP7's solution does not give the user any warning if one part of the clip has been changed (ECW parameter changed or Video/Audio effect added/changed/removed).
Here's how PP can implement Through-Edit markers and a Join Through-Edit function that improves on FCP7's version:
1. Whenever cutting a clip (with or without Effects), a through-marker appears to notify the user that the cut is a seamless edit between the two clips (visible both with the clip twirled up or down):
Click-selecting the left-trim side, right-trim side, or both sides of the edit with the Rolling Edit tool and hitting delete would remove the Through-Edit(s), thus joining or 'healing' the clips.
2. If the user makes any changes to part of the clip after a cut is made, the Through-Edit marker changes color to indicate which part of the clip was changed. In this picture, the left part of the clip was changed and therefore the left side of the Through-Edit marker changed to purple to notify the user. (Why purple? Because that's the color PP currently uses to indicate a clip has been changed with the addition of an Effect)
To joint this Through-Edit while preserving the changes made to the left side, the user would click-select the right side of the cut and press delete (and vice versa for preserving the right side):
If changes are made to both sides of the clip after the cut is made, the Through-Edit marker would change purple on both sides.
Once again, the user would have the choice of which modifications to preserve (those made to the left or to the right part of the clip), simply click-select-deleting the right or left side of the edit. (Note: Selecting both sides of the cut with the Rolling Edit Tool and pressing delete would simply return an error audio chime since the user would always have to select one side or another when changes have been made to both clips.)
BENEFITS:
- No need for pop-up menus
- Visual feedback for clip changes
- Choice between which clip modifications are preserved when joining a Through-Edit
- No interference whatsoever with the current trim workflow in PP
- Would require more programming upfront, but would provide PP users a far more comprehensive tool than what FCP7 offers!
I believe this addresses all of the concerns you brought up Zooropa75. If anyone seems any potential problems, please share.
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