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I'm working on a project where some of the footage predates digital - it was shot on tape on a consumer camcorder. In addition the only source for this footage was a homemade DVD where it appeared as an m2v file. I used Handbrake to convert it to mp4.
I want to try to clean the video up as much as possible to align it more with the rest of the project. I tried deinterlacing but that didn't make much of a difference. It still looks fuzzy and interlaced.
I know it won't be perfect but I'd just like to get it as clean as possible to match the newer footage.
Any suggestions for things I can try?
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I read through that, its a good conversation about a few options for software. The thread killed off the topaz conversation real quick with what appears to comparison to years old models/versions.
Another person also recommend BorisFX, UP_RES, but that is not a restoration tool and will look like a hot mess with DVD encoded quality as a source (its also just as slow as Topaz with no restoration benefit so not a good tool for this OP's intent).
I think the most efficient way to a good restoration is to get the raw video off the homemade Disc, interlaced and all, and run it through TOPAZ a few different ways, have Topaz handle the De-interlace, and also double the frame rate for the deinterlace. It will require some testing, which could be done inside topaz with the preview, but if your new to the software, and don't know what t expect with the viable models, your better off have a trimmed 10 second clip, and running it through all the viable models overnight I think.
The topaz forums should have some posts on the process and models people were using, and they have lots of people that do this on the regular that could assist/fast track a process for the OP.
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John's link is a good thread.
Topaz is amazing. They've just moved to a subscription model. I don't know the pricing.
Stan
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@spinachworld some unsolicted advice for you.... as someone who has done this a few times (during covid, I converted, and cleaned up about 200 hours of family videos to burn through the days).
I used Topaz, and here are my biggest learnings.
1) DO NOT de-interlace until you find a spot in the process where it makes sense, Handbrake did my deinterlace and I regretted it, as I found better ways in topaz to do it later in the process which much better results.
2) I always kept the original files, as I was doing it for so long, I found Topaz was updating the tools, or I learned a new process that made it worth going to back to some videos to re-do them.
3) The files pulled off the DVD were of very poor quality compared to HI8, and other first source masters, the DVD encoding process really did a number onlonger videos back in the day for compression. Topaz does a really job job removing mpeg compression blocks btw.
4) I would try and do everything in Topaz for clean up, they have some amazing tools now (models)- the Noise removal tools were really good. Also Starlight is AMAZING in many use cases (not all) - but its so slow if you process it locally, and expensive if you use their cloud service. I would get myself a small sample clip, of each variant of video quality you have, and run them through a few models, and see what you like.
5) (ADDED LATE) - watch the faces! these are the hardest thing to handle with any AI tools, check them arefull because they can make the person look like someone else. I found you had to carefully balance the process because oen AI model can do an amazing job with everything but peoples faces, and if you didnt check, end up with some scary results - so this is a place where you want to have test process fot the models, with faces (as an FYI, faces in the distance with low detail are effected different that faces closer to the camers BTW - this model selection with faces are involved are require the most supervision from you/humans).
Also; go to the topaz forum, there are a number of helpfull people on there with this sort of stuff for this software. There are apperently other alternatives now to Topaz, but I have not needed to try them
As an aside, if you own BorisFX, they have a pretty good upscaler ML_UPRES that works realy good, but the source has to be decent to start with, Topaz is significantly better as the quality degrades. I Use ML_UPRES when its 720p or 1080p to get to 4k or want to do a zoom.
The process of cleaning up the video will take LOTS of time - be prepared for that - the newest versions of Topaz now give you an estimated time thats pretty close.
Depending on your GPU, you need to decide if your system can handle 1 to 4 jobs at the same time. I would recomend never goign to 4, 3 might even be too high (but I'm an idiot and I use 3) - I think 2 may be the best, but test with one, and see how much CPU, System memory, GPU, and GPU memory is left before you increase the number of workloads in the que - if you get this wrong on a small batch, its not too much wasted time - but on a big batch you can add days to the process when it wasnt needed.
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Thanks to you both for more current, real world testing. The tools are evolving and can produce amazing results.
Stan
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Don't mess about for too long trying to clean this yourself.
Topaz Labs have been doing this now for a few years and as @FlyingFourFun says they have some good solid models for cleaning up SD footage and if quality of original footage is not too bad, make this scale into HD in some cases.
Now the downside - you will need to invest in a higher end GPU to get the most out of this software so you have faster renders .
You will need to subscribe on yearly basis.
Quality software is not free !.
I've had some very good results from SD DV take interlaced footage then scaling up to progressive Full HD and adding second enhancement to clean video and sharpen things up.
You can try out a demo version (with watermark on www.topazlabs.com )
I would add that Neat Video plug in for Premiere is still the best tool for reducing basic video noise ( e.g. taken in low light on old video cameras).
I have personally had better results with that versus Topaz Video Ai .
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@JonesVid I am wondering if you have tried the newer noise models mile NYX Large? I have not tied NEAT Video for a long time now, but sounds like you have recent experence with both - just wondering if the Large model NYX exceeds NEAT in your opnion.
I have typicaly have good results from BorisFX noise reduction, and rearly use Topaz for just noise reduction. I find that the upscalling process itself tends to remove all the noise needed and a second noise process wasnt needed - but my expections with this process may have been too low... despite being happy with it the results.
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Not had time to try the new Nyx model versus Neat V6 yet but will post after some tests.
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Thanks, I am lookign forward to the impressions you have with them... nothing too seriose is needed, wgat ever you have time for.
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