I noticed that if I create a path (straight line), write text on the path, then outline the object, create a fill that I move under Characters, convert that shape to rectangle (the fill under Characters), and then finally, I rotate the entire object (via Object>Transform>Rotate, not a Transform FX), everything rotates (path and character) EXCEPT the rectangle!! This is unexpected. Is that a bug? ... View more

Yes, I realise that. But if the rotation is applied beforehand to the object (as I have done in my picture), and then you try to get to the result you show, I can't get there. Can you? ... View more

Hi Federico, Thanks for the picture. In my case, that I detail in the picture, the object (path with text on the path) is already rotated as a hard transform (Object>Tranform>Rotate, not a Transform FX applied to the Characters) prior to doing anything. I find that I am unable to reproduce the result you show in this particular scenario. Can you? In your case, you do the rotation and the vertical shift as Transform FX. ... View more

Hi Monika,   This post is somewhat related to another post I made (to which you responded!). But let's ignore that for now. https://community.adobe.com/t5/Illustrator/Create-background-fill-for-type-on-a-path/td-p/10654950   I have attached a picture of what I did with federico's suggestion. I created a straight line path, on which I added some text. I desribe on the picture the steps I take. A few questions arise for me: 1- I don't understand why the blue stroke I applied to the path disappears as soon as I outline the object. The stroke is still marked as visible and is present, but no longer shows. Why is that? 2- At the end, I swapped the order of the two Transform FX (one is 25 degree rotation and the other is 0.1 in vertical shift). There is no difference between the two. So it looks like FX precedence does not matter for Illustrator here. 3- What I am trying to achieve, ultimately, is for that yellow fill to shift not by 0.1 in vertically but by 0.1 in vertically at a 25 degree angle (that would mean both a vertical and a horizontal shift for the yellow fill). But I am unable to achieve that. Instead, the yellow fill rotates by 25 degree and shifts vertically by 0.1 in.   In the picture, I selected all the objects so you get to see their various components (path, type, brackets, etc). ... View more

Hi federico. I'm trying to reproduce what you indicated. But isn't expanding Appearance destructive? It looks to me as if the order in which the Transform FX appear in Appearance do not matter. Whether the 1in transform is above or below the 25 degree rotation does not change the final Appearance. By "FX precedence" in the title, this is what I referred to. ... View more

Hi rene. If you have a litte time, please explain the points I brought up with respect to the solution you described. It looks as though the modifications are final and there is no turning back (desctructive) at several stages of your method. I tried to reproduce it and bumped into some issues. Perhaps you can detail your steps as I wasn't able to get to the finish line! -For the offset path to match exactly the height of the text, that would have to be measured prior to inputting exactly the correct amount of offset. Right? -To erase part of the offset path, do you expand appearance first? -Please detail the scissors and join stage. Thanks.   ... View more

Hi rene. That's very clever. Thank you, I had not thought of it. In my case, Monika's solution would probably do the job but yours achieves the initial goal. The only problem is that it is destructive. -I did not try it but I wonder if the points outlining the green background can be made to align precisely (snap) to the start/end brackets. From your picture, it seems they do. -Also, it might be a bit difficult to offset the path to match precisely the height of the text. Are you eyeballing this or outlining the text and snaping to the point or using smart guides? ... View more

Hi Monika, Thanks. This works. Out of curiosity, is it possible to have the background fill follow the shape of the path? Here, the path was a straight line so a rectangle could follow the text on the path nicely (as long as a rotation was then applied, as you said). But what if the path was a crooked path or an arch or a circle? Could the background fill somehow follow the text on the path (which would now be bending)? ... View more

Hi Monika. I've attached a picture that shows the start and end brackets of the type on the path. The path is a straight line here. I would like the background fill (which is yellow here) to extend only up to the start and end brackets of the type. But the best I can do is to have the background fill extend all the way from the end points of the path itself! Here, I created the yellow background fill by converting a fill for the path to shape (rectangle) and moving it into the Characters section of the Appearance panel. Obviously, this doesn't produce the result I want. The top part of the picture shows the path with the text and start/end brackets. The bottom part of the picture shows the path, the text, and the yellow background extending to both ends of the path (sadly). The background fill, as is, doesn't even follow the path's contour but fills the path object. ... View more

Hi Bob. I understand that CS4 has limited capability to convert to epub but as is the case for other aspects of InDesign, users may have encountered the issue and be able to provide tips to work around it or make the conversion in such a way that it requires less manual tweaking in epub files. I appreciate that you keep this thread open (or reopened it) as I was unable to reply prior, to Derek. That being said, the answer of upgrading to CC2019 is still off topic and not the correct answer, as far as I'm concerned; it's merely a recommendation. ... View more

Hi Monika. Sadly, it's just short of a rectangle. It's a rectangle from which I remove one side. So it becomes an open object, which looks like a "U". Alternatively, I could work with a rectangle too if I could set the stroke of one of the sides separately from the other three. But I don't think that's possible. ... View more

Hi cinziamarotta. I realise that but the Transform panel is not like an FX where you can enter a value and later, alter it, return to the original value, or simply turn that FX off. The values in the Transform panel would be "permanent" and I don't want that. ... View more

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Randy+Hagan  wrote I think I understand your position, or better, the messed up positions of things like folios and other page elements that occur when you add pages to your InDesign documents. I'm just concerned about introducing the Bad Cure while dealing with minor temporary inconvenience. That's why I'm personally loath to introduce "temporary" automated solutions as some suggest here. They most certainly serve when you flip the switch, but then you have to remember to flip the switch back. When I consider the consequences of a temporary annoyance versus messing up my pagination for the end product, I'm willing to live with the mild annoyance — especially when I know the end result will not be problematic by applying the Bad Cure. Introducing processes which can mess up a job unless they're properly countermanded strikes me as fraught with peril. Especially in a collaborative workflow. I fully agree Randy. This is why so far, I've been going the tedious route which you call "mild annoyance" and correcting everything that is messed up after the fact manually. ... View more

Thanks for the suggestions. SJRiegel: I'm not concerned with the page renumbering as this is restored once I finish replacing the document with the new one. And if both documents have the same number of pages, the page numbers are back to what they originally were before the replacement. In my case, your second suggestion would not be really applicable. Laubender: I'll look into that but it means I have to make the changes you mention to all the documents in the book file following the file I am replacing. It's not convenient if that's the case. John Mensinger: Possible. Since you mention "replacing", how about the "Replace" feature in Document Information in the Book panel's menu? I have not tried that yet! As to your second suggestion, I just have some documents with an odd number of pages. I don't want to change that! ... View more

Hi Randy. Thanks for your response. I think you understood my post but just as a clarification, my concern is not so much the page numbering but the fact that "temporarily", while I'm replacing a document in the book with another, the pages of the following documents are moved from left page to right page (and right page to left page) and this affects some elements on the page which then do not go back to their original position when the replacement is completed and pagecount is restored to what it original was (or even if it was even and odd if it was odd). But I learnt a new word "copacetic" so that was worth the post. I'd never heard that before. ... View more

Thanks Doug. That's a great suggestion, I hadn't used "Save Selection" before and that is fit for purpose in my case. I will try the note suggestion too. If there are any other ways or anyone else has another method, please share. Thanks. ... View more

Thanks Monika and Ryan. I expected that answer. It looks like I will be going the "takes forever" route then.  ... View more

Hi Lumigraphics. Could you point me to an adobe document where they would confirm that? Please add to that that the image is unchanged but resaved (in order to account for the deleted Document Title), it is not simply opened in Photoshop, viewed, and closed. Lumigraphics  wrote You could also do this with a script within Photoshop and not have to individually open and resave the file. Note that Photoshop (like most modern JPEG editors) does not recompress unchanged image blocks and so there should be no loss of quality. ... View more

Conrad, thank you very much for taking the time. I have researched what can be done with Windows explorer and it is apparently not possible (anymore). If I understood correctly, it used to be possible in 32-bit Windows but no longer in 64-bit. Something to do with a dll file and Adobe that did not update it for 64-bit but don't quote me on this as it is beyond my knowledge. Perhaps someone in this forum can explain in layman's terms what this is about. I couldn't even see the Document Title for any of the files I tried in Windows Explorer. Stephen. I suspected that the image might be undergoing some changes in a simple Save operation. I will look into your suggestion in Bridge but as noted previously, what worked for Conrad in CC 2018 did not work for me in CS4. It is all too much of a hassle though. Since you mention the Command Line route, I now wonder if the Document Title and file metadata in general can be viewed and modified in the Command Line, without resorting to anything outside the existing command set (like ExifTool or another third-party program). ... View more

Hello Conrad, Thanks for your comprehensive answer. I will look into using Bridge for this. I was "content" on doing it in Photoshop. But I was looking for a way to do it with, for example, the file explorer in Windows. Is it possible? Update: This is for CS4. I went into Bridge, per your suggestion. I looked for a file which has a "Document Title" when viewed in Photoshop File>File Info>Document Title. In Bridge, for that same file, the Metadata Panel showed nothing under IPTC (IIM, legacy)>Document Title. So in Bridge>Edit>Preferences, for Metadata, I selected every possible options there is in IPTC (IIM, legacy) and IPTC Core, just in case the Document Title in Photoshop would be under a different label in Bridge. But once again, I could not see the Document Title name I was looking for in Metadata. So, in Bridge, I manually wrote a value for a given file in Metadata>Document Title. I could then see that value in Bridge under Metadata. I opened that file in Photoshop and I could also see that value in File>File Info>Document Title (as expected). It appears that something is broken regarding the Document Title field. Now, if I manually remove the Document Title for an image file in Photoshop and save the file again, would that affect anything else, like the image itself? For example, if the image file is a jpeg file, I open it in Photoshop, delete its Document Title, and save it again (with Save, not Save As), would it process the image again? ... View more