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Catfudd
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November 18, 2015
質問

tiff file displays correctly in Preview; gets cut off when opened in Bridge or Photoshop

  • November 18, 2015
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Greetings,

I'm using a Mac running OS X El Capitan (10.11.1) with Photoshop CC 2015 (16.01.1) and Bridge CC (6.1.1.10). The scanner is an Epson GT-15000.

The tiff file I'm working on now displays correctly (i.e. the entire scanned image is visible) in the scanner's Scan Results interface as well as in Preview.

Bridge and Photoshop both display about 75% of the file; the missing bit is cleaved off vertically on the right-hand side in a portrait-orientation view.

The problem occurs about 15% of the time, seemingly at random.

The latest Epson drivers and the TWAIN mac plug-in have been installed.

???

thank you for your time, 

~E

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Participant
September 4, 2017

Just wanted to jump in a with a "same problem here". Working on a large family photo project. Super annoyed.

robotbacon
Participant
September 3, 2017

Experiencing this as well. First bunch of scans were fine, last few are cutting off in the exact same place. Scanning from the Mac interface. Using a Canon MG6820. Surprised that Apple hasn't tried to fix this yet.

Participating Frequently
July 29, 2017

I think it's an Alpha channel problem.

Used the MacOS (Sierra 10.12.6) scanner software for an HP OfficeJet Pro 8500A Plus to scan a 2400dpi TIFF.

When opened directly in Photoshop (CC 2017.1.1) it showed the cut-off with transparency (25% off the right hand side).
Opened the TIFF in Preview, then immediately exported again as a TIFF, but without compression, and Alpha channel off.

Opened the exported TIFF in PS without any issues.

edit2ksk
Participant
April 1, 2018

Thanks WorldShooter! I was having the same exact problem that everyone else here described.  Exporting the file from Preview, selected lossless TIFF (personal preference) and deselected Alpha - Bingo! The file opens perfectly in Photoshop.  Cheers!

Participating Frequently
July 4, 2017

I just experienced the same thing. Scanning using the Mac OS Image Capture with a Canon Maxify MB5320. Sierra 10.12.5. The solution I found was to open it in Preview and save a copy, but I saved it as a TIFF! This allowed me to turn off alpha channels and any compression. The trick is to duplicate and then immediately save which brings up the Save dialog. When I renamed the file before saving it seems to revert to whatever default was set for the original and saves without the dialog-- and without fixing the problem.

Not any better of a solution, but I do believe this confirms that it is some sort of Alpha channel issue. Shooting mostly digital I rarely scan any more. I used to use Silverfast with a high end scanner and that never gave me a problem, however, this reminded me I originally bought Silverfast because I discovered that under some circumstances the software that came with the scanner made dogs meat of the Tiffs. Seems to me that this is an Apple software issue.

ptromba
Participating Frequently
March 5, 2018

I was able to confirm that  these "broken" tiff files were fixed when I opened them up in Preview, did a Save As and removed Alpha channels on the option panel. After that, it could be opened up in Photoshop without losing part of the image.

This, of course, is tedious beyond belief and still doesn't explain what's wrong and why this bug only happens sometimes.

I have actually abandoned the Mac built in scanner function for the most part. It's gotten very buggy and ocasionally won't even open. So I am getting used to the Epson scan utility, which is great for documents and less great if you want to fill the 11x17" bed full of photos and have it scan and save all of the images in one fell swoop. Epson makes you keep clicking buttons for each subsequent scan.
Like so many computer problems lately, no fixes, just workarounds. Maybe Apple shares some of the blame? still a lot of Apple users out there for Adobe to ignore.

Legend
March 7, 2017

tiffinfo, part of the libtiff Open Source library. It's a command line tool.

Legend
March 7, 2017

Conceivably in fact a bug in the scanner driver, which returns junk Alpha channel info, and which Image Capture has started to use. If so, this will spread to other software in time.

gener7
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 7, 2017

May be. I used Images from Device to scan from my Brother 6920DW and I get a flat tiff/no alpha channel. I'm just using Get Info, so not sure what you use for the detailed information.

OSX 10.12.3

Legend
March 7, 2017

This identifies the same bug, and notes it is a bug in Image Capture which, as of Sierra, is saving a TIFF with an alpha channel which is often wrong, requiring rescan. Is there a reason Image Capture Preview now loo... |Official Apple Support Communities

Legend
March 7, 2017

Well, some interesting results. Trying scan 11.tiff. Photoshop 7.01 also shows only the left of the image, followed by transparency. I believe Photoshop is correct, because the file has transparency. I believe the other apps which seem to show it correctly, just ignore the transparency.

Very different from the first one posted. Let's compare the TIFF structure.
First file:
Size: 50MB
TIFF Directory at offset 0x3073d92 (50806162)
  Image Width: 6739 Image Length: 4079
  Resolution: 1200, 1200 pixels/inch
  Bits/Sample: 8
  Sample Format: unsigned integer
  Compression Scheme: LZW
  Photometric Interpretation: RGB color
  Extra Samples: 1<assoc-alpha>
  Orientation: row 0 top, col 0 lhs
  Samples/Pixel: 4
  Rows/Strip: 4
  Planar Configuration: single image plane
  ICC Profile: <present>, 2020 bytes
  Predictor: horizontal differencing 2 (0x2)

Second file:
Size: 7MB
TIFF Directory at offset 0x6a3590 (6960528)
  Image Width: 5946 Image Length: 3671
  Resolution: 1200, 1200 pixels/inch
  Bits/Sample: 8
  Sample Format: unsigned integer
  Compression Scheme: JPEG
  Photometric Interpretation: RGB color
  Extra Samples: 1<assoc-alpha>
  YCbCr Subsampling: 2, 2
  Orientation: row 0 top, col 0 lhs
  Samples/Pixel: 4
  Rows/Strip: 8
  Planar Configuration: single image plane
  Model: EPSON ET-16500 Series
  Software: Apple Image Capture
  Tag 317: 0
  ICC Profile: <present>, 2020 bytes
  JPEG Tables: (289 bytes)

So, what do we see. The second file uses JPEG-format TIFF, which is really considered bad and obsolete. Not a good choice. BOTH files use RGBA format, so it is no surprise if we see transparency. However, it may be that the software has an error meaning it does not correctly fill in 100% alpha for the full width. We can see the second file was certainly made by Apple Image Capture but we cannot say what made the first one; maybe it was even resaved by Photoshop, there is just no indication. It is a much more normal LZW file, but still RGBA.

Image Capture might just decide to do this, but maybe there is an option that affects it.

ptromba
Participating Frequently
March 7, 2017

Okay, this is weird.

Now, all of the sudden, scan 7.tiff can open normally in photoshop CS 2017...

Didn't open earlier today, hence my screenshots above...weird.

I even opened the original from the first folder location and that opened fine too (just in case the public Dropbox had been changed by one of you).

But I looked at one of the other ones that got cut off in the same way. That still shows up cut off.

I added scan 11.tiff to show you what I mean.

The one difference now is, the original, "scan 7.tiff" starts with the RAW image menu and I have to hit "OPEN" or whatever, but in RAW preview and when it actually opens, looks normal.

Scan 11.tiff on the other hand, just opens up into photoshop without the RAW menu. Why they would be different, I don't know. They were part of the same multi-image scan bed.

I still wonder if this is El Capitan, a certain Epson driver, an Adobe decoding problem or some cocktail of the above.

What OS is everyone using?

gener7
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 7, 2017

The other two you sent showed full thumbnails in the Finder, but were clipped in Photoshop. Nothing I could figure out there to fix it.

I did get lucky with an app called "Graphic Converter 9". It fixed the tiffs on resave , but the small size of the originals had me wondering.

I would suggest scanning to a file to tiff using your scanner's software and opening up in Photoshop. That would get the Import > Images from Device out of the equation.

I don't like the stock Windows or Mac scan app. It's a bit too sparse and sometimes buggy for my tastes. I have had Vuescan for years and it has paid for itself

Legend
March 6, 2017

Thanks, I can confirm that does download a 50MB ZIP file containing one TIFF. Would be interesting now to hear from people about their success or otherwise with different versions of Photoshop. First, an ancient one: Photoshop 7.0.1 does open it in full.