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Inspiring
August 22, 2023
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In what circumstances would you use manual NR in LR rather than Denoise AI/Topaz plug-in?

  • August 22, 2023
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Hi, just trying to get my head around all this Noise Reduction (NR) stuff.

 

1) With all this talk and hype of AI NR (both in LR and Topaz Labs) is there any reason (asides from file size) why I should still go to the "detail" tab in LR and apply manual NR or should I just all do it via Denoise AI/Topaz Labs plug-ins?

 

2) I see there is some discussion about the order in how you process your Raw files; my main question was if you have an underexposed photo and you applied NR first before increasing brightness/exposure, wouldn't that bring noise back into the image? many thanks

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JohanElzenga
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Community Expert
August 22, 2023

One more reason can be that your image is not a mosaiced raw file, so it can't be used with AI Denoise right now.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Keith Reeder
Participating Frequently
August 22, 2023

Or because your computer simply doesn't have the GPU power to drive AI Denoise.

D Fosse
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Community Expert
August 22, 2023

In normal circumstances noise is simply not a problem and standard NR is more than enough to deal with it.

 

Denoise is an additional power tool for extremely noisy images shot under particularly difficult conditions.

 

In other words, standard NR is the rule, Denoise the exception.

Community Expert
August 22, 2023

I've noticed many people taking it as an apparent "given" that all visible noise ought to be eliminated from every photo.

 

But AFAICT lacking all visible noise is a rather 'thin' claim for a photo, and showing some is not necessarily a negative (and may often be a positive). No more an objective measure of merit, IOW, than whether there are brushstrokes visible (or not) in an oil painting. True, avoiding brushstrokes can be important when you are painting a door frame; but we can say that an oil painting is literally "made out of" its brushstrokes. So those genuine traces of its original making that they constitute, can be - and generally are - considered good to see, including in a reproduction.

 

And grain type noise, sensitively and restrainedly handled, can be thought of in the same light creatively speaking IMO, as those brushstrokes of oil paint. Of course Denoise into a separate file does have its uses, but is definitely not required across the board right now. In due course that functionality might even come inboard and not involve the separate file any more; but let's wait and see on that one.

Keith Reeder
Participating Frequently
August 22, 2023

Depends what you're shooting. Bird photographers have settled on a de facto "standard" that any noise (particularly in backgrounds) is unwelcome and to be removed.

 

Dunno why we got there, but it's A Thing. Being hard to please isn't a bad thing though - we're to be thanked for driving up the image quality of RAW converters.

 

You're welcome..!

Ian Lyons
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Community Expert
August 22, 2023

Your second question is one that you could easily answer in a few seconds by checking yourself.

Hmmokthen作成者
Inspiring
August 24, 2023

I probably should have added onto the question "and if so, why is correcting exposure after NR the suggested order, when it makes no difference to the noise". I saw this unanswered question posted somewhere else which what I was also wondering.

Jill_C
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Community Expert
August 22, 2023

If the image has only a slight amount of noise, I use the traditional method to reduce it and skip the more time-consuming Denoise feature and resultant large file. 

Jill C., Forum Volunteer