P: Generated images violate user guidelines

[Hematita]

So as you can see, it's a PG-13 relatively inoffensive image of a woman in a bunny outfit. The top worked fine, and I was able to complete the top ear, which is cool. When I tried to extend the bottom with generative fill, though, I got this warning. They're just a pair of legs wearing stockings, and I wanted to extend it.

It feels like a false flag - though I could be wrong? I find myself thinking it would do the same for women in swimsuits.

Figured I'd share here.

[Gregusaurus]

@Kevin Stohlmeyer , No. Just me on a regular Adobe account. I normally get all the updates for Photoshop and Photoshop Beta. 

[daniellei4510]

Nothing to do with nudity. I've been putting clothing on nude models almost since when Generative Fill was introduced, to make them suitable to upload to Facebook. It's a bug.

[Caity.psd]

@Gregusaurus try "check for updates" button in Creative Cloud Desktop app or this link:

https://creativecloud.adobe.com/campaign/photoshop?workflow=install&min-version=25.0

[KLyles]

Hmm.  I'm somewhat on the fence here. 

I have used the Adobe CC suite for many years ( basically since it was introduced ) and I don't know how keen I am on having to ask permission from Adobe about what I can create with their software.  In my opinion, it isn't Adobe's place to approve / disapprove what content I create. ( especially at the cost of $700 / year )

Besides having to ask permission, this also indicates that Adobe is scanning the image you're working on to determine if they will approve of it or not.  The question then becomes, is this already being done without customer knowledge outside of the AI generative fill feature or not ?

It's not that I have any real need or interest to create nudity via the AI tool, but it bothers me that I am having to ask permission from Adobe in the first place regardless of what I'm creating.  Imagine the uproar if this type of permission model was included in other software like Maya, Blender, Zbrush, Audition, Indesign, etc. etc.   

Given this insight, I will probably revisit replacement products for the Adobe CC suite before my subscription renews early next year. 

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@KLyles your assessment is wrong. The AI is not analyzing the content of your image before throwing the error. If you read the thread many users have pointed out - like @daniellei4510 that they've used AI on nude images without issue. It all stems from proper prompt usage and descriptions.

[rfrolich2]

Ok, I'm confused.  Is Photoshop v 25.0 considered Beta still or is this the commercial release?  It's asking me once again to "Agree" to your User Guidelines, which to me looks like the same as the one for the Beta.  It still says "output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially."  That's what we do folks.  We use Photoshop for commercial purposes for companies that make us sign big, scary NDAs.  Is this a commercial release, or is it a Beta? 

Can Photoshop v 25.0 be used for commercial purposes?  I need some clarification please.

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

25.0 is the general public release and is available for Commercial Use - https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2024.html#gen-ai-photoshop

The beta is currently 25.1 and is for non-commercial use.

[Gregusaurus]

@Caity.psd

Thanks so much. That worked. In the past the app notified me there was  an update. 

[CShubert]

@rfrolich2 could you share a screenshot of that message that you say says not for commercial use?  Ps 25.0 IS available for commercial use, period, hard stop.  Ps beta will NOT be changed to allow commercial use, so moving forward all GenAI use for work/commercial/whatever must be done in Ps general release, which as of today is : Adobe Photoshop Version: 25.0.0 20230906.r.37 b14e317 x64

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

This is where it gets confusing for everyone - The 25.0 public release from this week (9/06) is not an upgrade from the Beta. If you are on any of the beta versions it wont show an available update.

Check your CC desktop app for available APP updates (not beta) and you should see it:

[rfrolich2]

Hi @CShubert,

From the Generative AI in Adobe apps dialog, it's asking me to agree to the User Guidelines.  If I click on the link, it takes me to the guidelines that state "While generative AI features are in beta, all generated output is for personal use only and cannot be used commercially." It's asking me to agree to this. I take that to mean that the generative AI features are still in Beta.  

That's not the case?

Thank you.

 

[defaultyfp7chz9kt23]

What in god's name are "Generative Credits" As if our adobe cloud subscription wasn't enough as is.

[Gregusaurus]

@defaultyfp7chz9kt23

Good question. Where are you seeing "Generative Credits"? I missed that. Thanks.

[PeterGJones]

Daft... Maybe. In looking to add a third leg I was looking to see if the bug that causes  generative fill to throw errors still existed in the new photoshop upgrade. It is still there. Inspite of this I have been having more fun with with all these new things to do with photoshop and am looking forward to new things from adobe.

[Николай322196181hro]

Как решить эту проблему? подскажите пожалуйста.

[Gregusaurus]

Oh no: 

"Until November 1, 2023, Creative Cloud, Adobe Firefly, Adobe Express, and Adobe Stock paid subscribers won't be subject to generative credit limits. Starting November 1, 2023, credit limits will apply."

https://helpx.adobe.com/firefly/using/generative-credits-faq.html

[daniellei4510]

Where have YOU been? Adobe has made it no secret that this was going to be put into effect once Photoshop was out of public beta, so that those who supply content to Adobe Stock can be paid for the work they submit when used for AI generatation. Where else can you use AI without paying for it or at least getting or accumulating credits when using their software? Boy. First people complain that artists and photographers are being ripped off by AI, now people are complaining when they are compensated. Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

[Guest]

a mi me quitaron el acceso por cambiar un vestuario(creo) como podria recuperar el acceso? 

[zvi_t]

Where else can you use AI without paying for it?

By @daniellei4510  

Stable Diffusion. Along with open source plugins for Stable Diffusion inside Photoshop.

There are other ways to get money for the photo submitters without credits. Put ads at the bottom of the GF window.

[Sarah27914909k9u3]

When I get six-fingered people, I just say to them, "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

[Kevin Stohlmeyer]

@defaultyfp7chz9kt23 please abide by the forum rules. First warning.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/using-the-community-discussions/adobe-support-community-guidelines/td...

[gadget13769]

Couldn't source material providers be paid from the money we are already paying to Adobe to use the software?

[daniellei4510]

Well...this is probably a bad example, but couldn't the dealer I bought my car from three years ago pay to have it fixed from the profit they made when they sold me the car originally? Business doesn't work that way. Well...it does to a point. They might throw in a a couple of free oil changes, not to mention a warranty for the first few thousand miles. But they can't provide such additional services forever. And, if I read the the terms and conditions correctly, moderate use of Generative Fill will potentially still be free given the monthly credits involved. I assume that means receiving more credits if one has purchased the entire Creative Suite compared to the Photoshop package alone.

[DavKa88]

The problem with providing limited credits (in effect charging for the service on a metered basis) is that the technology, while very good, is still less than 50% accurate.  Meaning, that multiple generations usually have to be made just to sort through the errors, thus burning credits because of error.  Additionally, many credits will be used only to receive "policy violation" notices and no image.  The aspect of receiving violation notices indicates in a way that the technology service is not really a professional tool.  Because I appreciate the technology advances, I would be willing to pay more in a fixed rate but the aspect of limited credits is very troublesome.  

[daniellei4510]

Well there's certainly a lot that still needs to be worked out. I'm still confused how this credit stuff will work within Photoshop itself, as opposed to working specifically with Firefly. I don't have a lot of experience with AI outside of Midjourney and purchased minutes can get used up pretty quickly when one is trying to generate something fairly specific. I'm asumming that one would not be charged for inaccurate or even purposeful violation errors, as no results are generated in any case. Or at least we aren't given access to them. I'm sure adjustmments will be made going forward as things progress.

Never the less, I applaud Adobe for being what I believe is the first to make sure creators are compensated for their work. And I think the technology will trickle down to other AI platforms, though that will most likely have to take place through the court system if other platforms don't do so voluntarily.