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eugenei27144166
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April 21, 2022
質問

PS exports still are too contrasty/saturated after attempted fixes

  • April 21, 2022
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My workflow has always been processing the photos in Adobe Camera Raw, then opening them as objects in Photoshopping for any Photoshoppery.  However, when I export them, they are way contrastier and more saturated than what I see in Photoshop.  

So for fixes, I've tried the following:
-  upping exporting as a PNG
-  exporting the highest image quality JPEG possible

-  exporting while embedding color space
-  checking the convert to sRGB box

Due to starting in ACR, the color space I was working in was Adobe RGB. I heard that a lot of platforms use sRGB color spaces as their standard.  So I tried the "Convert the Profile" option and set it to sRGB and then exported it again.  

Importing them back into PS both the Adobe RGB and sRGB-converted photos were accurate, also true in Windows Photo Viewer, but pretty much everywhere else made them constrastier and more saturated.  

What am I missing???

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NB, colourmanagement
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NB, colourmanagementCommunity Expert
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April 21, 2022

You're probably missing colour management. Not all programs do it

What application programs are you using to view your files?

and are you embedding the icc profile when saving

(BTW why export when you can simply "save as"?

 

neil b

colormanagement 

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    eugenei27144166作成者
    Inspiring
    April 21, 2022

    I'm trying the programs/platforms my clients would see the photos from.  So I send via DropBox, which they show up inaccurate there, Windows Photo if they decide to download them and see them locally, the preview pane in File Explorer, Chrome, and they're all inaccurate.  I haven't tried Insta yet, but I imagine it'd be the same.  

    Is embedding the icc the option you check that reads "Embed Color Profile"?

    As far as exporting instead of saving as, I'll be straight with you, I don't know what the difference is.

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    eugenei27144166作成者
    Inspiring
    June 7, 2022

    The photos are shot for web/computer/lapton screens/mobile/etc. so I would want the finals to cater to that. 

     

    In reality, you can only do this on your own system. You can't control how others see your images because you don't know if they are using color managed applications, and even if so, calibrating their displays (and how), etc. You can try hitting the middle of the barn by viewing sRGB images on your system under proper color management but after that, all bets are off.

     

    This may help:

    sRGB urban legend & myths Part 2

    In this 17 minute video, I'll discuss some more sRGB misinformation and cover:

    When to use sRGB and what to expect on the web and mobile devices

    How sRGB doesn't insure a visual match without color management, how to check

    The downsides of an all sRGB workflow

    sRGB's color gamut vs. "professional" output devices

    The future of sRGB and wide gamut display technology

    Photo print labs that demand sRGB for output
    High resolution: http://digitaldog.net/files/sRGBMythsPart2.mp4 Low resolution on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyvVUL1gWVs


    I watched the videos, as well as most of the videos on the Pluralsight course to wrap my head around this.  So my work goes to people with PC's so I imagine that the majority of the photos will be seen on sRGB managed programs (such as Photo), or sRGB managed browsers, such as Chrome.  Of course, I can't control if they fiddle with their on-screen display or what have you, but my goal would be to have the photos show with the correct color management, so that if all of the photos look different, they'll at least be in line with other color-managed photos.  I hardly ever print, so sRGB is my priority.

    If I were to start with ProPhoto in ACR and get the max color space, I have a few questions:
    1)  Is there a way to soft proof in ACR so what I'm seeing (despite being in Pro Photo) is reflective of what I'd end up seeing in sRGB so I can process it with that end in mind?

    2)  If I start with ProPhoto in ACR, make my adjustments, open as an object (so I still have access to make ACR changes), THEN convert it to sRGB, will it open as ProPhoto in ACR, I make some new adjustments, and then it automatically converts those changes into RGB color space?
    3) I tried converting from ProPhoto to sRGB and in the info tab at the bottom left (next to the Zoom), it still says Pro Photo.  I tried converting again, and in source space, it says it's sRGB.  Then when I export, the colors are completely out of whack.  Is this just a PS bug?  

    4), I tried changing Color Settings after to sRGB, and now it seems fine.  After some jostling about it finally changed in the bottom tab from ProPhoto to sRGB.  Is this the workflow?  And the needing to mess around before it'd show that it's sRGB, is that a bug?

    Thanks for all the help, I really do appreciate it.


    J E L
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    J E LCommunity Expert
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    April 21, 2022

    Hi @eugenei27144166. I'm not sure what you mean by "pretty much everywhere else," but when viewing images with some browsers, such as Edge, recently introduced settings can alter image appearance. These are sometimes turned on by default.

     

    "With a new option enabled, Microsoft can render images on websites in an improved way. The browser will change the image brightness, contrast and improve tones to make it look impressive on your screen."

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      eugenei27144166作成者
      Inspiring
      April 21, 2022

      So I've found they're different Windows' Photos app, Window's preview screen when clicking on the file, opening them in Chrome, opening them in DropBox, I think I even did Paint for fun and it was the same issue there. Checked the dropbox from my iPhone as well JiC. 

      For clients, is there a way to make it more consistent, so they get accurate photos?  For instance, I send them via DropBox, which is inaccurate.  If they download them and look at them in Photo, that's inaccurate (especially as newest Windows dropped Windows Photo Viewer altogether).  I haven't tried Instagram yet, but if they want to post them to an Instagram, I'd imagine it'd be the same story?   

      NB, colourmanagement
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      NB, colourmanagementCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      April 22, 2022

      Generally, it's considered best practice to save as sRGB for "general" (sometimes non colour managed) viewing. 

      On a "normal" gamut screen - even with out a colour managed application to use the document profile correctly the appearance should be ?OK?

      BUT these days there are a growing number of 'wide gamut monitor screens' in the field [claimed "9x% of Adobe RGB gamut", or maybe "P3" (P3 = macs, mostly), with those screens colour management is vital, because "throwing" an sRGB image onto the wide gamut screen, without colour management, will make the image awfully over-saturated. 

       

      I hope this helps
      neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer:: co-author: 'getting colour right'
      google me "neil barstow colourmanagement" for lots of free articles on colour management

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