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Jochem van Dieten Must Be Relieve of His Moderator Status (Mark II)

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September 16, 2009
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The first thread on this matter seems to have been deleted, presumeably by Mr. van Dieten

It is my assertion that Jochem van Dieten has abused his moderator's priveledges by innappropriately deleting threads and posts with which he does not agree. He has been rude not only to some of the more 'curmudgeonly' forum members, but also to those whom are not troublesome (Claudio, 'GreenJumpyOne' are two that spring to mind). He has been arbitrary-seeming in many of his decisions as moderator; he has shown himself hostile, uncooperative and on occasion childish. He has not, seemingly, been held to account for his reprehensible, unprofessional conduct, and is (IMO) a disgrace to Adobe Corp. He has no 'people skills' and is thus an exceptionally bad choice for the position of moderator.

If you agree, please say so. If possible, give some examples of Mr. van Dieten's behaviour which illustrate my assertions above.

I am posting this partly to give people who wish to have a venue to complain about censorship (and other) issues may do so without taking up more space in another thread.

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解決に役立った回答 Kath-H

Kath-H wrote:
Why would it be important that somebody is human?
So you have no sense that you are dealing with people (who tend to be human) ?????

I am merely asking you why it would be important that somebody is human. I can think of many possible reasons for that, but instead of presuming a convenient one and attacking that one (a.k.a. a straw man attack) I am just asking you for yours.

The fact you can even ask the question speaks for itself.

S

shunithD

Inspiring

Interesting... so many posts / replies... but the main issue has neither been consistently addressed / replied to / nor resolved... ???

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Anonymous

This is thread therapy and is less intrusive then most traditional therapy methods. People post how they feel to manage their stress on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis to keep anxiety and depression at bay promoting higher levels of adobe creativity.

shunith wrote:
Interesting... so many posts / replies... but the main issue has neither been consistently addressed / replied to / nor resolved... ???

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shunithD

Inspiring

dec9 wrote:
This is thread therapy and is less intrusive then most traditional therapy methods. People post how they feel to manage their stress on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis to keep anxiety and depression at bay promoting higher levels of adobe creativity.

Aah! So...

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Anonymous

Jochem is still upsetting visitors to Adobe's Forums with his abrasive and unwelcoming behaviour.

And any critical comments about his competence immediately cause him to "Lock" the thread and delete the member's comments.

His arrogant rudeness is totally unacceptable and needs to cease.

This thread is yet another example:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2286696?tstart=0#2286696

Here we have a potential Adobe CUSTOMER who is already distressed by the treatment that he is receiving from the Adobe Corporation being shoved out of the way by Jochem.

These Forums are part of "Adobe Customer Service" and the "service" is just as non-existent here as it is in the Indian office — but at least the Indians are courteous.

Ozzwoman9

Inspiring

I think this is a better example:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2286811?tstart=0#2286811

Claudio González

Legend

This message

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2277545#2277545

has been modified after been replied, and also moved down to its present position –something mere users cannot do. And my reply to it, which in my opinion was a not in the least offensive suggestion to improve interpersonal relationships in these forums, was deleted.

I think that these changes completely and unfairly distort what happened in that thread, and therefore I do not consider them proper of a moderator. Also, I find it pitiful that posting this message is the only defense I have left. Message that most probably is going to be very promptly removed.

I was forgetting, but mine wasn't the only reply to the original version of his post to be deleted. And, as it can be seen, I don't hide my modifications to my messages. I even explain why I made them. Cultural differences?

Message was edited by: Claudio González. Reason: adding forgotten information.

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Jochem van Dieten

Inspiring

Claudio González wrote on 9/28/2009 8:31 PM:

This message

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2277545#2277545

has been modified after been replied

If you check the webservices they tell the following about that message:

2009-09-27T23:54:57.915-06:00 2009-09-27T23:54:57.915-06:00]]>

So that message has not been changed. In addition, anybody who

subscribes to the email notifications can compare the text of the

original email notification with the text in the thread and see they are

the same. Anybody wants to do the honors?

and also moved down to its present position –something mere users cannot do.

Neither can moderators.

And my reply to it, which in my opinion was a not in the least offensive suggestion to improve interpersonal relationships in these forums, was deleted.

I explicitly ask to stop posting content that is unrelated to the forum

FAQ in that thread, yet a group of people including you continue. What

did you think would happen?

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Anonymous

I explicitly ask to stop posting content that is unrelated to the forum
FAQ in that thread, yet a group of people including you continue. What
did you think would happen?

It is exactly because of the insufferable attitude displayed in that paragraph, that we are asking Adobe to relieve you of your duties.

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Participant

WHEN I TRANSFORM A IMAGE IT LOST HIS QUALITY WHAT CAN I DO

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Anonymous

Talk about hi-jacking a thread.

What software are you using?

PC or a MAC?

Answer these and someone can get you in the right direction.

A

Anonymous

There is a lot of sanctimonious waffle from the people outside the original, genuine, community which only exposes thier ignorance of what it was like for us before jive.

They might still be happy in their little enclaves but they don't know what we are talking about here.

It's like banging your head against a brick adobe wall!

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Anonymous

Yes this group of mods think they are so cool!

A

Anonymous

Yes this group of mods think they are so cool!

Indeed, the conceited self-righteousness oozies from their every pore and the more that they try to justify themselves, the more inadequate, vacuous and utterly loathsome do they sound!

A

Anonymous

Well I must say I have never seen so many unanswered questions. Could that be that the people who answered them in the past are now gone? I would say yes. I really don't care anymore It gives me a good laugh to see how long these people wait for a wrong answer now. Adobe's eye is getting blacker and blacker with this mess, and the mods are doing nothing to help the situation.

Better hurry up and answer those questions you so called experts people need answers.

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Anonymous

Geez, is it just me or do you simply dislike anyone with a "Community Expert" badge?

I find the self-satisfied sanctimonious behaviour by so many of those that sport that badge to be entirely obnoxious and

I have yet to find anything that members of that group have posted to be in the least worthy of my respect.

The arrival of these so-called Community Expert people has changed the entire atmosphere of the Forums and has effectively destroyed the Community that existed here for more than ten years before their intervention.

That is why I now come here so seldom and am no longer willing to spend time on answering questions in the Product Forums.

I now spend my on-line time elsewhere and am delighted that so many former members of the Adobe Photography Forum seem to have found their way to the same place!

Yes, the root cause for the present situation lies entirely at the feet of you … and the rest of your CE gang!

Captiv8r

Legend

I find the self-satisfied sanctimonious behaviour by so many of those that sport that badge to be entirely obnoxious and I have yet to find anything that members of that group have posted to be in the least worthy of my respect.

I'm grateful you used the word "Many" and not "All". I personally know several Community Experts that in no way exhibit those characteristics.

I never heard of you prior to today, so I'm not sure how many of us are gravely concerned that we failed to post anything gaining your respect. We help those that need it and they are happy with that. And that's more than good enough for us.

The arrival of these so-called Community Expert people has changed the entire atmosphere of the Forums and has effectively destroyed the Community that existed here for more than ten years before their intervention.

In the fora where I and my fellow Community Experts operate, things are better than ever. Nothing was destroyed it only improved with the new forum. And believe it or not, it actually got even better after some of us became moderators because we are now able to offer helpful things like making announcements about planned forum outages and the like. We have created sticky topic areas and other things intended to assist others.

As an aside, we didn't intervene. We were invited to actively participate and are happy to do so. That way the load can be shared.

That is why I now come here so seldom and am no longer willing to spend time on answering questions in the Product Forums.

I suppose you perceive posting comments here is worth your effort?

I now spend my on-line time elsewhere and am delighted that so many former members of the Adobe Photography Forum seem to have found their way to the same place!

Cool, that'll show em! Stop helping folks that need the expertise you have. Tha'll send Adobe the right message! I think not.

Yes, the root cause for the present situation lies entirely at the feet of you … and the rest of your CE gang!

Wow, totally my issue! How powerful I've suddenly seemed to become. Dang, I must have missed the day they handed out the blue suit with the red cape. Oh wait, maybe it was the black suit with the mask! Or maybe the green one. Hmmm, what to wear what to wear.

I guess now we know where whine comes from. Sour grapes!

I honestly do wish you the very best with wherever you landed. Life is really too short to be unhappy with wherever you are!

Cheers... Rick

J

JhabrixJay

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First, JayJhabrix got banned from posting...

Now it's Jhabrix that's banned... and not a by your leave nor explanation! Someone is getting very personal and, for some reason, 'Jhabrix' seems to be like a red flag to a bull!

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Anonymous

It's a pity a few more of the really helpful and knowledgeable people like Ann don't pop in and voice their disgust.

Unfortunately, you have probably lost many of them permanently.

Jochem actually had one of the most knowledgeable and prolific contributors permanently BANNED from all of the Adobe Forums — and that was after that person had given freely of his own time here for more than ten years.

Jochem's behaviour has been not only out of control but utterly outrageous; and it seems that JC has had the rug pulled from under him and no longer has much influence on how these Forums are run.

~graffiti

Legend

Ann Shelbourne wrote:
Jochem's behaviour has been not only out of control but utterly outrageous; and it seems that JC has had the rug pulled from under him and no longer has much influence on how these Forums are run.

Reminds me of a kid that just got his first job supervising other people. He hasn't learned how to do it yet (so goes way overboard) and has no idea how to relate to his employees.

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Anonymous

SIGNED in agreement to the OP.

jochemd wrote:
Harbs. wrote on 9/16/2009 9:51 AM:
I don't think there were any posts from Ozzwoman deleted. She tried to
post three times at the same time that this thread was being locked.
They were posted. The repeated posts were actually the trigger for me to
lock the thread: I had no idea of when Ozzwoman was going to stop
repeating the same message over and over again. Apparently it stopped
sometime between my lock and kanguyen's unlock.

To continue the discussion of 'moderation issues' started in another thread in a more appropriate place, this makes no sense. Why would Ozzwoman post the same thing over and over again unless the original was being deleted? Are you accusing Ozzwoman of spamming identical posts intentionally? Why would someone even do that? And if a second was somehow posted accidentally due to JiveBugs© or other issues, why delete both?

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