Motion Graphic Template - Responsive Design Time / Protected Region bug in Première Pro

[Alexis Fradier]

Hello everyone!

I’m working on a Motion Graphic Template kit in AE for an editor/client to use in Premiere.

Everything is working great except I have a pretty annoying bug regarding the Responsive Design Time feature once the Mogrt are imported in Premiere.

The RDT feature works well inside of AE when I put my template in another comp to test it : I have the blue protected region, and when I’m resizing/retiming the comp, the protected region keep their duration.

But when I import them in Premiere with the Essential Graphics panel, the protected regions are slowed down or accelerated, and the outro animation happens at a random point in time.

I’ve tested with a simpler comp (just a text with little animation) and it works.. That means, maybe it is something in my animations that break the RDT ? (That’s the scary hypothesis)

Would you have any ideas what can break the RDT features only in Premiere ? I have no sounds in my templates, no time-remap, nothing I can think of that can impact the time remapping process.

My mogrt are 1920x1920 comps as they need to fit either a 1920x1080 comp, or a 1080x1080, or even a 1080x1920 (vertical) edit...

I’m working on MacOS 10.13.6

With AE  17.0.2 (build 26)

And Premiere Pro 14.0.1 (build 71)

I would be glad to share one or two mogrt files if necessary.

Anything that can point me in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks a lot !

[nishu_kush]

Hi there,

Thanks for the detailed post. I see that you are having trouble with Motion Graphics templates in Premiere Pro.

Could you try rendering the Timeline in Premiere Pro (Sequence > Render In to Out) and check if that makes a difference? Are you getting the same issue in the export?

Let us know, we're here to help.

Thanks,

Nishu

[Alexis Fradier]

Hello !

I knew I forgot something 🙂

So yes, I tried to render to sequence to see if it fixes the issue, but no. Whether as a preview or in a PRORES422 render, the problem is still there : If I try to make my 10sec mogrt template 35 seconds long, the intro animation is slowed down and the outro happens at 17seconds, slowed down as well...

Thanks for your help !

[Roland Kahlenberg -]

In PPro, place each MoGRT into its own sequence and do the RDT stretching there and apply Render & Replace. Then nest this Sequence into your 'final' Sequence. See if this helps.

[Alexis Fradier]

Hello Roland,

I just tried that, but I have the same issue, the problem is when I strech, and when I render..

As when I try a simpler title, without too much expressions, everything works as intended, I tend to think that's not a "display" issue... The only explanation I can imagine is that there is something in my mogrt that prevents PPro to do the RDT stretching (but not AE for some reason) but I can't figure out what... Is there any known issue with RDT when a certain type of expression or effect is used in the mogrt ?

[Roland Kahlenberg -]

Hi Alexis, is each of your MoGRT made up of a single AE Comp or do you have nested comp(s) in your MoGRT. If you have one or more nested comps in the MoGRT/master comp, do these contain RDT sections?

I'm not aware of any Expressions or effects that mess up RDT in PPro. If they work fine in AE, then they should work in PPro, as expected since PPro works on a mini vesion of AE when it encounters a MoGRT clip in a PPro sequence. Of course Expressions and effects that affect timing will mess up if they interfere with RDT's own calculations.

Which effects have you applied in AE? Have you tried creating a longer Master Comp - perhaps stretching RDT too much (3.5X times in your case) is the cause for the bug?

[Alexis Fradier]

Thanks Roland,

Here are the results of my tests, and some answers to your questions :

- Some of my Mogrt have nested precomps in them, some don't, the problem is the same in both cases.

- The effects applied are nothing fancy, mostly fills to have different color schemes, linear wipes, transform effect,  and of course, expression controls like sliders, drop-down menus, etc.

- The only thing that use "time" is the sourceRectAtTime expression as in : 

var w1 = bg.sourceRectAtTime().width;

 But I would understand that breaking the size of the layer, not breaking the whole RDT...

- I tried making one of my Master comps 20sec long, but the result is the same: When I stretch it in Premiere to 30sec, the intro is slowed down and the outro happens at around 25sec, and when I resize it to 10sec, the outro is just cut.

- I had to switch to the AE Javascript engine to use the new text.sourceText.style.setFontSize expression, so maybe that has to do something with it? (EDIT: no :'( I tried reverting to the Legacy Javascript Engine and export the Mogrt, but the result is the same)

Thanks for your help, I'm pretty lost...

[Roland Kahlenberg -]

Hi Alexis, you forgot to mention if your nested AE comps contain RDT regions. If they do then I would place the layers into the same Master Comp instead of having the layers in a separate/nested comp — I can see possibilities that having nested comps with their own RDT inteferring with the Master Comp's own RDT settings.

An option you may want to look at is to remove RDT and use Time Remapping in PPro. You will also want to search the PPro Forum as others have written on this issue and there may be a viable and robust workaround.

[Alexis Fradier]

Hi Roland,

Yes, I forgot to answer that, sorry... But no, my nested comps don't have RDT regions.

And I've made my tests on a mogrt that doesn't contain any precomps, to be sure that was not an issue.

I'll check the Premiere Pro forum, but I'd need to find a workaround that can be easily used by different editors, with various skill levels...

Thanks anyway!

[Roland Kahlenberg -]

Hi Alexis, if I were in your position, I will try to set the end points of the RDT at 1 or 2 seconds away from the last KFs of each RDT; just to see if this helps.

And have you tried rendering in PPro without hardware acceleration - just a thought on my end since it's cause other weird results in PPro that otherwise worked perfectly, in AE.

You should also send a Bug Report, together with you AEP and MoGRT files.

[Alexis Fradier]

Hello Roland,

Thanks for your insights,

I had tried to render with and without GPU rendering, as I had some trouble with that in the past, but it made no difference.

I also set the end points of the RDT at 1 or 2 seconds away from the last KF, but no big changes.

However, if that can help, I did some more tests :

- I tried the templates on another machine, with ONLY the latest version of AE and PP installed. As I have multiple versions on my machine for compatibility reasons, I wanted to try on a clean machine. It didn't help as I had the same issues, but it actually made a difference on a specific occasion : 

- I tried to have only one Protected Region (Intro or Outro, not both) and that made a difference. It seems to react as intended.

For now, I've used only the outro, as it's the least worst option (sorry to be a bit grim here 🙂 ) but it seems, that the problem comes from having two protected region in the AE (I don't know why I haven't tried that before)

The only thing is that the behavior was not very consistent... and on the machine with multiple AE/PP versions installed, I still had some bugs, whereas, on the clean one, I got a pretty much consistent result (but that may come from an old cached version of the mogrt still here..)

I'd be glad to submit a bug report along with the files, as I would be even happier the day this problem gets resolved, but I'm not sure where to do that...

Let me know !

And thanks for not letting me alone in this difficult experience 🙂

[molliey33366830]

Hi Alexis, 

I was having the same issue, and found this post about using the Reset Duration function under the Graphics menu, and it worked! I have my intro and outro regions protected on my MOGRTs as well.

https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/38046811-mogrts-with-protec...

Hope this helps!

[steveotv2]

Old thread, but I'm having this same problem - RDT done in AE, mogrt exported to PR, and the protected region gets time stretched as you trim or extend a clip (which is the opposite of what it should do, right?). I've even made a dead simple test with 3 position keyframes, and it still has same issues. That link at the end MIGHT be the solve, but it's on the old 'user voice' so its a dead link. Any ideas?

[Roland Kahlenberg -]

I believe the Dead Link covers the use of the Reset Duration or even perhaps the Reset All Parameters feature found within the Graphics & Titles Menu in PPro. 

I've actually stopped using RDT for years because it leads to awkward situations, like what you seem to be encountering.  My manual but robust solution is to cut the AeMoGRT in PPro's Timeline, and then use the Frame Hold Feature if I need the AeMoGRT for a longer duration or cut off the middle (pause) section if I need to shorten it. It's manual work but precludes having to troubleshoot and/or face much longer production time fiddling about with an issue. HTH

[Mateusz28377073708w]

I stumbled upon the same problem with protected keyframe's that after export to PP weren't really protected and after wasting a couple of hours finding solution I am also using hold frame option. Not ideal if you wan't to work as much as you can with ready templates but does the job. And since it won't be probably soon/ever resolved - it's the only way I see now.