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Chroma Key looks good in After Effects but BAD back in Premiere Pro (Dynamic Link)

Explorer ,
Feb 17, 2021 Feb 17, 2021

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Asked this in the Premier pro area, but perhaps its better asked here.

 

After getting a GREAT looking chroma key in After effects via Dynamic Link, when the clip is previewed back in Premiere Pro the video looks like white and noisy, like the background is ghosting through or something

Why is the Chroma key in Premiere Pro looking so bad but perfect in After Effects?

How do i fix this?

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Valorous Hero , Feb 17, 2021 Feb 17, 2021

Don't set Keylight to Final Result; always use Intermediate Result as Final Result creates noise in the RGB area.

In PPro, try disabling Linear Light in Sequence Settings.

And ... if you have a picture lock from the client, keep the DL track in PPro as a backup and render the Comp from AE, for use in PPro. I will also double check the Alpha in AE prior to rendering - use Keylight's Alpha Tools or AE's Refine Matte Hard Edge to get a clearer Alpha.

HTH

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LEGEND ,
Feb 17, 2021 Feb 17, 2021

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Probably some issue of AE treating footage always as RGB whereas Premiere supports YUV/ YCbCr natively. That and of course anything from color management differences to specific value ranges in the footage itself being treated differently, sequence settings for bit depth and whatnot. Since you haven't offered any exact info on the project and effects settings in both programs, nobody can advise specifically, but the simple truth may be to just render out the clip from AE and replace it on the Premiere timeline. Some things are simply beyond DL and figuring out the issue might take longer than just proceeding the old-fashioned way like we used to do it for decades befor DL even existed.

 

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Great reply. Im still having the problem even if i render out from AE & import to PP. so could really do with some help trouble shooting this problem. Im brand new to Adobe software by the way.

 

After more testing i have here's an update:

  • If i apply a white solid background in AE, the preview in PP looks good pictured bellow. BUT the problem is i lose the alpha channel so can no longer overlay the subject on other images/video

after effects setup.png

 

  • In AE, if instead of applying a 'solid white background", I apply a white background via "Composition Settings" the subject looks good in AE, but ghosting problem happens when white background is applied in PP

pp ghosting.png

 

  • If i render out export directly from AE with an alpha channel, it looks fine when playing the video in VLC (no ghosting), BUT if i take that same export with alpha and add to PP and add a white background, the ghosting happens again.

ghosty comparison.png

 

 

Here are my sequence settings premiere pro. Anything else you need?

sequence settings premiere pro.png

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Here is an EXPORT from PP with the side by side of the rendered output from AE with alpha on the left, and the linked clip with white solid background applied in AE on the right, playing in VLC.

 

Why is AE able to apply a white background flawlessly, but PP isnt?

 

export from PP side by side.png

 

I need to keep the apha channel properties in PP to overlay with other imagry, this is why applying the 'solid white background' in AE isnt a solution

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Feb 17, 2021 Feb 17, 2021

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Here are a few differnt views of the Chroma key in keylight.

Is the keying good? Or is it the source of the problem?

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If it helps, here's a video render out from PP a side by side of a render from AE which was losless with alpha preset applied to timeline in PP (left), & a Dynamic LINK from AE with a white background applied in AE (right)

 

You can see the white background applied in PP causes this ghosty look. While a white background applied in AE doesnt.

Any ideas as to why?

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Don't set Keylight to Final Result; always use Intermediate Result as Final Result creates noise in the RGB area.

In PPro, try disabling Linear Light in Sequence Settings.

And ... if you have a picture lock from the client, keep the DL track in PPro as a backup and render the Comp from AE, for use in PPro. I will also double check the Alpha in AE prior to rendering - use Keylight's Alpha Tools or AE's Refine Matte Hard Edge to get a clearer Alpha.

HTH

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In PPro, try disabling Linear Light in Sequence Settings.
 
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By @Roland Kahlenberg

 

BINGO. Fixed! Thank you so much. Why is "Linear Light" causing this? Is it a known bug?

 

Don't set Keylight to Final Result; always use Intermediate Result as Final Result creates noise in the RGB area.

 Thanks allso for the tip. On "Intermediate result" I could see some green spill, so i then applied AE's "Advanced spill suppressor" and it cleaned it right up.

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Valorous Hero ,
Feb 18, 2021 Feb 18, 2021

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Thanks for reporting back.

PPro's the Linear Light option in the Sequence Settings has been known to cause untold misery and there doesn't seem to be a clear understanding of why it happens. Hence, as a general rule, when weird results occur, it's a good idea to disable it.

For the Keylight tip, this has been a very long, and known issue. And good job on applying AE's Advanced Spill Suppressor, I had forgotten to sugges that.

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Valorous Hero ,
Feb 18, 2021 Feb 18, 2021

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Heya buds, I forgot to ask that you send a Bug Report on the Linear Light setting in PPro. It'll be doubly good that the PPro Team knows of this issue, to add to their database. TIA


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Great Job!
Thanks!

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