Remove Filler Word Function Oddities

[doubleclutched]

I'm using 24.2.1 (build 2)

Mac OS Sonoma 14.0 

Using the remove filler word feature. Noticed few things I would consider as bugs. I'm using for editing a audio only podcast to give some context. 

1. "oh" is considered filler. From what I've read about this feature it should only be catching "um" and "uh". I wouldn't consider "oh" a filler word. Would either prefer that's not included or pick what filler words I want Premiere to consider. 

2. Whenever I do try to ignore "oh" as a filler the the auto-scroll in the transcript window gets all messed up. I get two blue bubbles highlighting my transcript. One bubble where the audio actually is in the transscript and another random bubble further back in the audio. It makes following along to find more incorrect filler words difficult. 

3. Whenever I do remove an actual filler word my sequence timebar jumps ahead to some random place in the timeline and I have to go back to where I was when I deleted the filler word. 

[Stan Jones]

@doubleclutched,

I looked at this in PR Beta 24.4.0.25. I'll try to compare in 24.2.1, but I don't want to delay replying to your thoughtful post any longer.

Re your #2, can you provide a screenshot? I see a yellowish highlighting around all filler words, that turns orangish for the one that is selected. If I delete, it is, of course gone. If I skip, I still see the yellowish for the one I skipped, and the orangish for the next one that is now selected.

Re your #3, the skip I see is always to the next filler word.

Generally, filler words (and other text-based issues such as pauses, etc) involve many challenges and can be more or less flexible.

My sample was the Kerstin interview from the early text-based editing files. It is 3:46, but I only looked at a small section. Here are two examples of errors.

1 - The actual words were "slow parts, fast parts, it has" which was transcribed as "slow parts, [filler] it has". The "fast parts" was quick and not well enunciated, but it was clear to me.

2 - One very clear "um" was treated as a pause.

Accuracy issues like these are difficult to work around. For example, I'd like to know what filler word it is. If it is "Oh," I want to examine each one of those to see if it is meaningful. But if the transcript shows us that it has detected the filler word "um" and it was actually something else, I can only determine this by listening to the audio and checking each filler word.

So in any event, I think accurate transcriptions still require review and editing. It is useful that you can advance by search to each filler word, press the space bar, and hear what was actually said.

@TeresaDemel FYI. Is there a way to turn off filler words?

Stan

[doubleclutched]

Hope you can see @Stan Jones. Was a little hard to capture. In this screeshot I'm actually at the part at the top where it says "He needed to bulk up" but the blue bubble is towards the end where you see "of" highlight. I ignored a filler word before this part that wasn't filler but actually several words. The speaker is saying "They did not at all". 

If I cotinue the auto scrolling will stay ahead where I actually am in the track which makes capture other spot to ignore difficult. If I don't ignore the filler and then use the "Delete All" feature of filler words then I will lose words that aren't actually filler. 

[doubleclutched]

Adding another picture of the auto scrolling having two blue bubbles. 

Also for #3 not sure why my bar would skip on it's own. If I'm editing a clip I wouldn't want it to do any auto skipping in the sequence. I would want it to move as the audio track plays if that makes sense. 

[Stan Jones]

Thanks for the screenshots. I don't think the two blue bubbles should be possible. When you say 'try to ignore "oh" ' what are you actually doing?

I have not played with the options here much. If I go into edit mode the filler word is not, of course, there. If I add a word where the filler word is, it is removed. But I do not see any oddities in the way it works (one blue bubble).

It shouldn't matter, but I am Win 10.

@Kerstin Ebert @alexander-riss 

Stan

[doubleclutched]

@Stan Jones I'm highligting [filler] and clicking 'Ignore this filler word' in the menu. 

[Stan Jones]

Thanks; got it.

[Kerstin Ebert]

Hello @doubleclutched,

thank you for reporting this!

Seeing the blue bubble twice is actually a bug. The blue bubble should only be shown during playback to visually show the active word that matches the audio during playback. Unfortunately I can't reproduce this bug on my end. Does this only happen randomly after ignoring some fillers, or are you able to trigger this consistently after following specific steps? A screen recording of how you get into this state would be helpful for me to so I know which step I might be missing.

Re #3, if you ignore the filler that is also the active search hit (it is highlighed red, all other fillers are highlighted yellow), the playhead will jump to the next filler word which now becomes the active search hit. Is that what you are seeing? or does the playhead still jump around when you delete one of the yellow highlighted fillers?

Thanks,

Kerstin

[doubleclutched]

Hi @Kerstin Ebert I'll try to get a screen capture for you but this was happening whenever I was ignoring a filler word. Once the filler is highlighted in the salmon pink color, I right click, and hit "Ignore this filler". The auto-scroll then jumps something else. I'm guessing it's the next filler word but it's two bubbles so I'm not 100% sure where it's attempting to go.

Yesterday while editing, when I ignored filler words I got either two bubbles, the transcipt going missing for a segment of the audio, or this in the screenshot below (got this 2-3 times). 

For #3, can only speak for my experience but that jump ahead feature actually drives me a little crazy lol. It does it while I'm trying to CTRL+K so I'm constantly having to go back to where it was before it jumped. 

[Kerstin Ebert]

I see, thanks for clarifying!

I still don't see the two blue bubbles when ignoring the active (salmon pink) filler word but I guess a screen recording will help 🙂

Can you try to verify where the playhead is actually jumping to when you delete the active filler word? Does it jump to the next active filler or is the new playhead position completely random?

Your new screenshot shows that the Text panel actually crashes during your editing. Premiere should capture a log file that gives us more info on the false state of the Text panel, it should be added here: 

User/Username/Library/Logs/Adobe/Adobe Premiere Pro

Do you find a .log file in that folder that roughly matches the time/date when the Text panel crashed for you? If yes, can you please share the log with me?

What editing action do you have mapped to the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+K?

Thanks!
Kerstin

[Jeffrey Hansler]

Edited in Adobe Premiere Pro 24.1.0 (Build 85), and when I did delete filler words and then pauses - it erased the tail end of the audio. I needed to lock the audio and video files before deleting filler and pauses to keep the audio file complete. 

[Kevin-Monahan]

The status of this bug report has been updated.