white graphics are turning grey in my timeline

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

I just downloaded APP. Im very new at this. I uploaded a video of myself to edit to a new project.. The color was the exact same in the SOURCE (top left) box and PROGRAM (top right) box. Then when i uploaded white logos and pics that i made from canva (downloaded to my macbook), I imported them to my project. In the SOURCE box they are white but in the PROGRAM box they are grey. Everything that was white including letters became grey. All other logos like facbook, IG etc, the colors are fine in the SOURCE box but in the PROGRAM box they are dull with way less color. Then when i hit the space bar to play the video with logos overlayed, the logos become a bit bolder, but then when i hit the spacebar to pause the video, they become dull and again.

Why are pics / downloaded pics / canva made pics) changing colors to dull and grey when i upload them to my timeline (seen in the PROGRAM box, top right)?!?! Why are all my white logos and pics grey?!

[R Neil Haugen]

You probably have a color space mismatch.

Is your sequence created from say iPhone footage? In HLG?

Are you working in a Rec.709 or HLG color space sequence?

The color management options are all in the Color Workspace's Lumetri panel. The Settings tab ... the tab named Settings.

[Sumeet Kumar Choubey]

Hi intelligent_Glaze8348,

Welcome to the community. We can get this checked. Please share a screenshot showing the difference in the Preview between Source & Program monitor. Also, share a detailed screenshot of the options under Lumteri Color > Settings. We're here to help, just need more info.

Thanks,

Sumeet

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

How do i do a screenshot on a macbook?! Im literally brand new at using a macbook and adobe. I literally barely know a thing.

[Sumeet Kumar Choubey]

You may refer to this link to learn how to take a screenshot on a MacBook. Also, the guide shared by Peru Bob is a good place to get started with understanding color in Premiere Pro. Please share the screenshots when you can & we will be able to guide you further to get around this issue.

Thanks,
Sumeet

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

Okay i did a video control pic to show that the video colors are the same in both panels.

4 screen shots of 4 different pics and logos, all with different colors in both panels. You can see that whites become gray, the blue facebook logo is less blue and grey, the pic of me, my face is blurry etc.  

Also as a test, i uploaded a pic into V1 FIRST and THEN the video into V2, that made the pic totally fine color wise (whites remained white) BUT the aspect ratio of the video was all different and thats not what i want to keep doing in order to maintain white colors but WHY is it that if i upload a pic to V1, the colors are fine, but when i upload a pic to V2 after a video is in V1, the pic is a different color?!

[Sumeet Kumar Choubey]

Thanks for the details. Could you please also share a screenshot of Color Management tab of Sequence Settings (Sequence > Sequence Settings)?

-Sumeet

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

Okay i randomly found a difference in the settings in logos.

i found one that works, the white "celebration of freedoms and rights" white logo. In that one, it says "dot gain 20%" next to the USE MEDIA COLOR SPACE icon within the "source clip" tab. It ALSO says "dot gain 20% to Rec.2100HLG" next to the COLOR SPACE INPUT CONVERSION option under the "sequence clip" tab.

For a logo that doesnt work (changes color from the original - the facebook logo becoming less blue and more grey) it says "Rec.709" under the "Source clip" tab as well as "not color managed" under the "sequence clip" tab. 

This one defaulted to these 2 different settings than the logo that DID work. So this might be the issue as to WHY these settings automatically changed for this facebook logo?!

[R Neil Haugen]

Please, do all color management in the main CM place ... Lumetri Panel's Settings tab. The tab named Settings.

Because you must have consistent CM settings applied or you get mess-ups.

And yea, you're using some Rec.709 standard dynamic range PNG files, on a sequence that's HLG ... a form of HDR.

The software can pretty well match (transform, technically) from a wider space/range to a narrower one. But it cannot  do very well, for taking narrower space/range images to wider ones.

So you could possibly use the HLG png's on a Rec.709 sequence. But probably not use Rec.709 png's on an HLG/HDR sequence.

Try the following:

• Display color Management on
• Extended Dynamic Range on for those on Macs
• Auto detect log on
• Auto tonemapping on
• Sequence set to Rec.709

And see what you get.

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

So i was able to select the first 3 things on your list but not the bottom 2.

Yes, the logos got brighter and whiter after i checked "extended dynamic range on" but the video also got brighter, not just the logo. 

So whats the solution for uploading logos or pics or images created on canva?! Should i save them as something other than PNEG or anything?! I gotta try to have these pics and logos upload at normal color.

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

Actually all that didnt work. The pics and logos basically still remain grey when they should be white. The video gets brighter and the pics kinda do but nowhere near enough at all. So i really dont understand why pics of color and white are coming up dull and grey no matter what or where i download them from. Do i call adobe?! 

[R Neil Haugen]

It's very simple.

If the sequence is any form of HDR, then any item that is based on Rec.709 dynamic range will not display correctly. Specifically it doesn't have a wide enough range of brightnesses to have both shadow and highlights covered

I was trying to be very direct in both my explanation and instructions.

If your color management settings are not entirely matched for your media and expected results , you will not get the expected results. 

This must be done systematically.

[intelligent_Glaze8348]

I dont know what HLG or Rec709 is at all. Im brand new at Adobe Premier.  

I literally start a new project with all default settings in every category.  Nothing was changed in any color matching category from the beginning. I tried starting about 10 new projects each time it did this and its the exact same thing every time. ALL my pics, logos, all become dull in color with the whites turning to grey. IG, facebook, X logos, all become dull and the whites in those become grey also.

[Peru Bob · Accepted solution]

Take a look here:

https://blog.frame.io/2019/08/26/color-management-abobe-cc/

[R Neil Haugen · Accepted solution]

There are a ton of things you must learn to get going, decently, in Premiere. Or any of the other major video post apps, including Avid and Resolve, Nuke, Baselight, et al. Because they are designed to be manually operated ... they have an incredible array of tools and effects, but the user is expected to want to have total, manual control.

Color management is a newer part of video post processing, and is absolutely a requirement to get functional. Why? Dynamic range and color space/volume will be wildly different depending on what/how the video was created.

Dynamic range is the total range of brightness  values between black and white. HDR ... high dynamic range ... can have anything from 200 nits brightness to 5,000 nits or above, encoded into the video file. Standard dynamic range or SDR video ... the Rec.709 we've been using in the past, and still the majority of professional broadcast/streaming media ... has 100 nits brightness encoded in the file. See the difference?

The array of color spaces and "volumes" produced by devices and computer apps is simply enormous these days, and also growing. It used to be that all devices worked within the constraints of the sRGB color space/volume, but now, there are many defined color spaces, and many devices actually have their own unique color space.

HDR for example can be still in sRGB, though rare ... or listed as Rec. 2020, 2100, HLG, PQ, or listed as a camera specific color space by Arri, Sony, Red, and several others.

So all these possibilities have to be checked and properly transformed to the dynamic range and color space you want to produce for your final product.

Most projects should still be Rec.709, as the HDR stuff is still Wild Wild West, most screens still do not do it al all, and of those that do, most do only one or two of several possible variants, and that ... neither well nor predictable. Within a couple more years that will probably change ... we all hope. But then, the colorist community thought back in 2019 that HDR would be taking over within a couple years ... um ... nope. Because the screen technologies first used simply failed quickly enough and were expensive enough to make the factories went belly up.

So you need your color management settings to combine to get the final result. I and others have many posts on here about color management.