Better "Timeline in Source Panel" workflow - "Toggle Source/Record" from Avid.

[Philéas]

Hi !

I've been a Premiere editor for a long, loooong time. But my recent jobs have forced me to work on Avid Media Composer. This has required me to completely rethink the way I edit: Premiere being more suited to drag-and-drop workflows and Avid more keyboard In/Out workflows.

On Avid, you tend to create multiple sequences for your selects. Then, use thoses sequences in your source monitor, and use the "Toggle Source/Record" function to show the source timeline, and integrate clips on your sequence. This is kind of feaseable in Premiere (see attached video).

Now that I'm back to using Premiere as my main editing program, I wanted to bring this method to the way I edit. But doing it on Premiere is kind of frustrating on specific points.

It think this kind of workflow has a lot of benefits : more precise editing (compared to drag and drop from a pancake timeline, which is the "equivalent" Premiere workflow), having the ability to insert easily (compared to doing that in a pancake timeline workflow, which is a pain in the a**), and more efficient (because it is keyboard centered).

Here is the problems when whe try to apply this way of working on Premiere, and how we could make it better :

• Bringing a nested sequence rather than UN-nested clips
  • Everytime you bring a clip in your final timeline, Premiere defaults to bring a nested sequence rather than the clips themself.
  • So if you want your original clips flattened, you have to use, on everyclip you bring from the source sequence, the "Multicam" option (see attached video). But then, the source audio/video are not linked anymore, which means that you need to relink them one by one.
  • It would be great to have an option to directly bring the clips from the source sequence to the working sequence using the selected patching. Rather than a nested sequence, which is more complicated to work with.

• Complicated  shortcuts
  • If you want to use this workflow, you have to use multiple shortcuts on Premiere :
    • "Pannels : Open Sequence" to open the current selected sequence in the source monitor on a timeline
    • "Application : Source Monitor" when you want to select the source sequence as your active working panel
    • "Application : Program Monitor" when you want to work on your final sequence.
    • "Application : Sequences" when you want to switch from your opened monitor sequence and your working sequence.
  • All theses different shortcut are a pain to work with. I think it would be better to have a simplified shortcut which does it all : open the sequence which is on your monitor, on a timeline and switch to this timeline in the sequence pannel. And when you click it again, do the opposite : go back to the sequence which is not in the source monitor.

Because Premiere has already 90% of features to use this workflow, I think it is sad it is not quite as efficient as in Avid. Thoses two changes would make it much better.

[mekow78496490]

Bruh, THIS!

Premiere, please make it so that we can toggle between timelines easier like in avid. It would save so much time if I could just select in and out on one sequence and cut it into another sequence easier.

[WellToldFilmCo]

I'm in the same boat -- long time Premiere editor, but new job has me working on Avid. 

I also wish the "toggle source/record" funtion from Avid would move to Premiere. 

Adobe, let's work on this. Should be easy enough.

Per the "nested sequence" deal, there is a button in the record timeline that changes this, see screenshot.

[WellToldFilmCo]

Also, this is my current workflow/window set up on a 16" MacBook pro. Kind of like "pancaking" the timelines, but for me, i'd rather have more record screen realestate than source realestate. I know it cuts down on my source preview window as well, but to have the same "Avid" workflow, this is currently working for me. I don't have a larger monitor yet, but i'm sure this will feel better on one.

[Philéas]

Oh wow I didn't knew that was made for that. Thanks !

[WellToldFilmCo]

Also, I just realized that there is a toggle/source record shortcut. And I use it on my "~" key since that's the same at work. With my current set up, it moves from source timeline to program timeline like Avid. 

So, i hope this helps.

[Philéas]

@WellToldFilmCoOh I didn't knew about this shortcut ! The issue is that you can work only with one source media at the time.

Or you would need to to the Toggle Source/Program shortcut and then the Pannels : Open Sequence everytime to see a visual representation of your source panel.

And I really like how you've put your source sequence underneath your source monitor, I think i'm going to switch to that ! I was used to having it stacked on my program sequence (like you would have on Media Composer), but that doesn't work well in Premiere since the shortcuts to toggle the source/program pannel does not changes the source/timeline you're viewing.