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Hans Baath
Hans Baath
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February 24, 2019
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Min. 50 % photos in search for Stockholm shows photos from other locations

  • February 24, 2019
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When collecting several photos and adding meta information, the system retag them or add false information att save or upload. How to avoid this except for single upload??

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Ricky336
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Ricky336Community Expert
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February 26, 2019

Hi,

I actually don't really understand your point either, but you seem to be referring to keywords - tagging the images when they are uploaded.

I personally think the auto keyword function works great - however YOU do need to review them and add or delete accordingly.

The problem I think, is not the AI, but in user input.

In case of file 250887406 - Wrocław, Breslau, Poland is the correct title - Wrocław, the Polish name, Breslau the German name, Poland, as it is in Poland. (There isn't an English version of Wrocław like there is for Warsaw - Warszawa or Cracow - Kraków.)

The user should have deleted the keywords - stockholm, sweden, france, prague, as these are irrelevant and added Poland, Wrocław, Breslau. This is not the fault of Adobe SenseI, as the user could type these words in manually. The Adobe Sensei works on keywords that users put in as keywords, so if the user feeds it wrong information, then 'wrong' information will be put out.

So, you can't blame the AI, only the users who use it. The AI 'guesses' the keywords by learning from the information that users have put in before. So really, accuracy depends on the people who use it! (Us contributors!)

Read about it here:

http://https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/titles-and-keyword.htmlAlso, have a read about the CSV.

(I'm also a volunteer.)

    Abambo
    Community Expert
    AbamboCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2019

    ricky336​,

    The problem are the users just wave through the different keywords, even when they are not logically possible. You can't be in Sweden and in Poland at the same time. For buildings this is spamming the search requests of the users with no relevant data.

    There are situations where it may be possible or necessary to show the keywords for two countries but those situations are probably rare.
    ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
      Hans Baath
      Hans Baath作成者
      Participating Frequently
      February 26, 2019

      When use "Select all", me running Swedish version so it has a Swedish label, you might think these can be used to giving same title and meta for all pics. It does not.... if you send "all pics" you will automatically have extra generated metas, typical different countries, towns etc out of control same goes for selecting several pics.
      My experience working with development for HMI, for many many years, says this is not easy to understand.
      If you want to change/delete the extra metas you have to wait till it is approved and in your catalogues or delete the pic and upload it again. Figure doing this for 50 pics?

      This is a big problem and pointing to users do not help. If the AI not relate to hits and buys it will never learn to adjust the metas. Adobes business idea could not include something that makes the system not useful for both ends of the process.

      A search for photo and Stockholm the marked pics I can tell are not Stockholm, this goes on for rest of pages to.

      Sorry about my English it is not as good as my Swedish.

      MatHayward
      MatHayward
      Legend
      February 25, 2019

      It sounds like you are referring to the auto-keyword feature. Adobe Sensei recognizes what is in the image and recommends 25 keywords automatically on each file uploaded if there are no keywords already embedded in the metadata. The tool is good but it is not perfect. You need to review each keyword and remove any that are irrelevant before submitting the file for review.

      It is also important you resort the keywords and list the most important and relevant words first.

      Kind regards,

      Mat Hayward

      Hans Baath
      Hans Baath作成者
      Participating Frequently
      February 25, 2019

      Hi Mat

      This is close to my experience how to use the auto-keyword feature, but it do not work in "batch" mode. I have to save each pic separate. "Select all" or manually "similar" will not allow to ad the same title and metas to all and upload. This part I can work around.

      The big problem is that either by purpose or bad understanding search results ending up with to much wrong pics.

      See metas for pic 250887406, 250833924​,  250741241 chosed by random from a search for Stockholm they contain tags for "half" Europe.

      As a test search for Istanbul it gives 109 721 hits and Stockholm 36 711 hits, if the reults have 50% wrong metas we or the customers have a big problem.

      Abambo
      Community Expert
      AbamboCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      February 25, 2019

      Well that's what Mat says: Sensei can't guess it right and if the user keeps it as this, it stays with all the keywords. I'm quite sure that a building can't be in Poland, Sweden and France at the same time. And specifically for this file 250887406 (Wrocław Breslau Poland - Buy this stock photo and explore similar images at Adobe Stock | Adobe Stock ) the user made the error not to delete the misleading keywords and not to add the correct ones (Poland, Warslow, Breslau).

      France, Sweden etc will bring more hits but not more sales...

      A kind of curation system would be helpful here.

      ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
      jacquelingphoto2017
      Community Expert
      jacquelingphoto2017Community Expert
      Community Expert
      February 25, 2019

      Abambo​ do you know the answer for this, or is it a matter for MatHayward​ to handle?

      Hans Baath
      Hans Baath作成者
      Participating Frequently
      February 25, 2019

      Sorry, the problem are on larger scale, where the system taking over and making decisions about meta´s, it is more a programing issue. Why I write is that it is being growing fast latest month. For me it puts in tags as Istanbul, Prauge Moscow etc. And i presume it makes the same for pictures about those places to, so they end up in searches for Stockholm, where my pictures should be seen only. I think I can avoid it by "save" each picture with titel and then add meta´s "save" and "include" before sending.
      I do not now MatHayward, but some that can look into it deeper maybe, Delete the function about where the  photos might be taken. I presume we all know where and the system not. I can think it is very confusing when searchin and more then 50% shows wrong.

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