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Hans Baath
Hans Baath
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February 24, 2019
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Min. 50 % photos in search for Stockholm shows photos from other locations

  • February 24, 2019
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When collecting several photos and adding meta information, the system retag them or add false information att save or upload. How to avoid this except for single upload??

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Ricky336
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Ricky336Community Expert
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February 26, 2019

Hi,

I actually don't really understand your point either, but you seem to be referring to keywords - tagging the images when they are uploaded.

I personally think the auto keyword function works great - however YOU do need to review them and add or delete accordingly.

The problem I think, is not the AI, but in user input.

In case of file 250887406 - Wrocław, Breslau, Poland is the correct title - Wrocław, the Polish name, Breslau the German name, Poland, as it is in Poland. (There isn't an English version of Wrocław like there is for Warsaw - Warszawa or Cracow - Kraków.)

The user should have deleted the keywords - stockholm, sweden, france, prague, as these are irrelevant and added Poland, Wrocław, Breslau. This is not the fault of Adobe SenseI, as the user could type these words in manually. The Adobe Sensei works on keywords that users put in as keywords, so if the user feeds it wrong information, then 'wrong' information will be put out.

So, you can't blame the AI, only the users who use it. The AI 'guesses' the keywords by learning from the information that users have put in before. So really, accuracy depends on the people who use it! (Us contributors!)

Read about it here:

http://https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/titles-and-keyword.htmlAlso, have a read about the CSV.

(I'm also a volunteer.)

    jacquelingphoto2017
    Community Expert
    jacquelingphoto2017Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 26, 2019

    Hi ricky

    I believe there is a real issue here. It is possible that Hans can have a problem originating from Adobe, and we don't have similar. I've addressed a couple on this forum and I myself had my share of the experience.

    First off, when you click on "select all" there is no auto tag available. You have to put in all the tags before submitting.

    Single image tagging is what has the auto tagwords.

    He said the single image tagging works fine.

    The batch tagging when he "select all" is where the problem is. If he is getting auto-tags when he "select all", that is a malfunction on his pages that Adobe need to correct.

    He said if he upload images and tag them one by one, there is not a problem.

    Hans Baath please correct me if my understanding is incorrect.

    Incidentally the @ mention does not work for @Hans Baath.

    Regards

    JG

    Hans Baath
    Hans Baath作成者
    Participating Frequently
    February 27, 2019

    Hi again

    If I select two pictures, 1 and 2, chose ”category” and select “no property right” then ad a title and Save. These will be kept.
    I then put in my tags, app 20, no clicking for automatic tags, and save both pic again. Then checking that the tags still are the same, some remain but the second pic chosen at start has new tags generated including new country.  I then  redo and put in my tags for pic two and save again and now it looks ok. Then load up. Then I check what has been saved and the not asked for automatic tags shows up again i.e Russia or Italy and some other. To be fixed after release.

    Hope you can follow this Swenglish description.

    So I cannot rely of any steps about tags.

    MatHayward
    MatHayward
    Legend
    February 25, 2019

    It sounds like you are referring to the auto-keyword feature. Adobe Sensei recognizes what is in the image and recommends 25 keywords automatically on each file uploaded if there are no keywords already embedded in the metadata. The tool is good but it is not perfect. You need to review each keyword and remove any that are irrelevant before submitting the file for review.

    It is also important you resort the keywords and list the most important and relevant words first.

    Kind regards,

    Mat Hayward

    Hans Baath
    Hans Baath作成者
    Participating Frequently
    February 25, 2019

    Hi Mat

    This is close to my experience how to use the auto-keyword feature, but it do not work in "batch" mode. I have to save each pic separate. "Select all" or manually "similar" will not allow to ad the same title and metas to all and upload. This part I can work around.

    The big problem is that either by purpose or bad understanding search results ending up with to much wrong pics.

    See metas for pic 250887406, 250833924​,  250741241 chosed by random from a search for Stockholm they contain tags for "half" Europe.

    As a test search for Istanbul it gives 109 721 hits and Stockholm 36 711 hits, if the reults have 50% wrong metas we or the customers have a big problem.

    Abambo
    Community Expert
    AbamboCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    February 25, 2019

    Well that's what Mat says: Sensei can't guess it right and if the user keeps it as this, it stays with all the keywords. I'm quite sure that a building can't be in Poland, Sweden and France at the same time. And specifically for this file 250887406 (Wrocław Breslau Poland - Buy this stock photo and explore similar images at Adobe Stock | Adobe Stock ) the user made the error not to delete the misleading keywords and not to add the correct ones (Poland, Warslow, Breslau).

    France, Sweden etc will bring more hits but not more sales...

    A kind of curation system would be helpful here.

    ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer
    jacquelingphoto2017
    Community Expert
    jacquelingphoto2017Community Expert
    Community Expert
    February 25, 2019

    Abambo​ do you know the answer for this, or is it a matter for MatHayward​ to handle?

    Hans Baath
    Hans Baath作成者
    Participating Frequently
    February 25, 2019

    Sorry, the problem are on larger scale, where the system taking over and making decisions about meta´s, it is more a programing issue. Why I write is that it is being growing fast latest month. For me it puts in tags as Istanbul, Prauge Moscow etc. And i presume it makes the same for pictures about those places to, so they end up in searches for Stockholm, where my pictures should be seen only. I think I can avoid it by "save" each picture with titel and then add meta´s "save" and "include" before sending.
    I do not now MatHayward, but some that can look into it deeper maybe, Delete the function about where the  photos might be taken. I presume we all know where and the system not. I can think it is very confusing when searchin and more then 50% shows wrong.

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