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Create Nulls From Paths: Position is way off

Community Beginner ,
Feb 26, 2018 Feb 26, 2018

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Hi! I love the new built-in feature "create nulls from paths." However, sometimes I get an issue where the newly created nulls are not where they should be. Please see the examples below, where the front leg of the bicyclist kicks out four misplaced nulls. Anyone else having this issue? Any workarounds? Fixes? Advice?

Thanks!

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Valorous Hero , Feb 26, 2018 Feb 26, 2018

Before you apply any of the Nulls2Path feature you SHOULD zero all the Path>Transform:Path properties (except Opacity and Scale). Otherwise, you will have the issue you are currently facing.

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New Here , Apr 07, 2021 Apr 07, 2021

I managed to find a solution and it is by downloading this script that has fixed this bug. I got it from this video in spanish.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APry31ydjuU&

http://www.pablocuello.com/scripts/

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Valorous Hero ,
Feb 26, 2018 Feb 26, 2018

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Before you apply any of the Nulls2Path feature you SHOULD zero all the Path>Transform:Path properties (except Opacity and Scale). Otherwise, you will have the issue you are currently facing.

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Community Beginner ,
Feb 27, 2018 Feb 27, 2018

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That did the trick! Thanks a bunch!

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New Here ,
Mar 23, 2020 Mar 23, 2020

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Hi,

 

I am having the same issue unfortunately this solution isn't working for me. Any idea why and how I could fix that? Thanks!

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Community Expert ,
Mar 23, 2020 Mar 23, 2020

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Without getting too into the weeds, you're likely running into an issue of comp space vs layer space. 
If the path you're converting is on a layer parented to another, or buried multiple shape groups deep, you're wanting the visual position of your object, without realizing that its mathematical position is actually relative to its parent, shape group, whatever. 
There are ways around this with expressions, but the simplest answer is to take those variables out of the equation if possible. If possible, un-parent layers before running this script, and/or make sure your nulls are parents to the same layer(s) as the one containing the path. 

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Valorous Hero ,
Mar 23, 2020 Mar 23, 2020

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FWIW, if you forgot to ZERO-in the Content"Path>Transform props prior to invoking Create Nulls from Path, you can do so AFTER - all will be well.

 

As Kyle has suggested, you will have to share more info on the Shape Layer. A screen grab showing its innards and whether it is Parented (a Child Layer) AND any effects the layer may have. FWIW, Even if the Shape Layer is parented (IOW it's a Child Layer), all you have to do get things back on track is to parent the newly created Nulls to the Shape Layer's Parent Layer.

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Explorer ,
Apr 26, 2020 Apr 26, 2020

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Can you please explain what you mean by "zero all the path"?

It would be appreciated if you can explain based on After Effects UI so it is clear how to do this step. thanks!

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Valorous Hero ,
Apr 26, 2020 Apr 26, 2020

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The image below shows the default values for a Shape Layer's internal transform properties. When these properties are at their default values all Nulls created with the "Create Nulls from Path" feature will stick to their respective Shape Path vertex/point. HTH.

 

Roland_Kahlenberg_0-1587958381773.png

 

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Explorer ,
Apr 27, 2020 Apr 27, 2020

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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. This is strange functionality no? Maybe a bug unless intended to work this way.

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Valorous Hero ,
May 02, 2020 May 02, 2020

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Not a bug. However I do see an opportunity for a better design by setting the related values to default, by default. I can't see any reason to have 'awkward' values as default and then having these props disaffect Create Nulls from Path.

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Community Beginner ,
Nov 25, 2020 Nov 25, 2020

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This worked for me, thanks!

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New Here ,
May 23, 2021 May 23, 2021

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is there a way of zeroing those values but keepiong the position? 

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Valorous Hero ,
May 23, 2021 May 23, 2021

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If you want to keep the current position then leave things as they are.

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Participant ,
Jan 22, 2021 Jan 22, 2021

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After I've created a shape from a vector layer (parented to nothing), 'Nulls from Paths' offsets the new nulls position. However, if I apply your solution and zero the path's transform properties, it works, but the path offsets itself and I need to bring it back to its original position. Is it right?

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New Here ,
Mar 05, 2021 Mar 05, 2021

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same problem! please help. thanks!

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New Here ,
Apr 06, 2021 Apr 06, 2021

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Yes, same for me. I'm not sure how to put the path in the position I want it AND move the Null with it.

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New Here ,
Apr 07, 2021 Apr 07, 2021

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OK, figured it out! Turns out my problem was there because I worked from an Illustrator .ai file in After Effects and for some reason the path to Null conversion wouldn't work properly. I've created the paths now in AE directly and it worked without any issues.

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New Here ,
Apr 07, 2021 Apr 07, 2021

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But is there a way to do it in .Ai without getting this error? it's really annoying me.

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Apr 07, 2021 Apr 07, 2021

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I managed to find a solution and it is by downloading this script that has fixed this bug. I got it from this video in spanish.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APry31ydjuU&

http://www.pablocuello.com/scripts/

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New Here ,
Aug 07, 2022 Aug 07, 2022

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Muchas gracias!!!!

 

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New Here ,
Oct 07, 2022 Oct 07, 2022

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This works like a charm , thanks a lot !!

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Explorer ,
Feb 08, 2024 Feb 08, 2024

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worked for me! thanks for sharing!

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Jan 20, 2022 Jan 20, 2022

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thanks roland! 🙂

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New Here ,
Apr 15, 2023 Apr 15, 2023

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I know this thread is over a year old now and most people may have already discovered this, but I had the same issue with a path created from an Illustrator vector and was finally able to get the null directly on the path by ungrouping the effect from the path in the shape layer. I ungrouped the stroke from the vector path and the null sits directly on the path now instead of being offset.

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Sep 30, 2023 Sep 30, 2023

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Your approached worked for me thanks

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