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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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DRS69

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After the latest update (October 2024) the remove feature in LrC doesn't do anything. I do get three options to choose from, but nothing has chnaged in the photo. I have restarted LrC several times, but it doesn't do any good. I have the generative AI box checked as well as the content aware box. When I load the photo into PS the lasso tool and Generative fill do a great job of removing objects. However, I cannot get LrC to remove something as simple as a light pole.

johnrellis

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@jimbessette: "A month or so ago this was working suberbly for me. Now, it doesn't remove anything. I try to remove a simple line in a photo and all it does is replace the line in almost exactly the same place."

@DRS69: "After the latest update (October 2024) the remove feature in LrC doesn't do anything. I do get three options to choose from, but nothing has changed in the photo."

Make sure the Opacity slider is set to 100:

You'll have to make at least one brush stroke to see the slider. A fair number of people have reported that the slider gets set to less than 100 without them changing it, and the new UI design makes it harder to see the current value.

If this doesn't help, please post back here and we can move to the next troubleshooting step.

jimbessette

Participant

WHAT HAPPENED???!??!!! A month or so ago this was working suberbly for me. Now, it doesn't remove anything. I try to remove a simple line in a photo and all it does is replace the line in almost exactly the same place. A month or so ago, I removed all kinds of telephone wires from a photo with excellent results. Now this is USELESS to me! Put it back the way it was a month ago, PLEASE!

AndreapennA Photography

Participant

And now just wait for the support team to tell you to read the "article" on how to use it.
Like they broken it and try to put the blame on you!
I reverted back to the 13.5 - OMG what a shamble of release!

johnrellis

Legend

Come on, now you're trying to convince yourself, that everything's working as intended.

You have 14 pages of complaints that all go in the same direction but nope, it's not the tool, the users are. the problem. Some of the people even say everything worked fine before. SOMETHING had to change with the current update.

But I know, you will come to us with your list of tricks and tell us to get a Playstation controller and press L1, left, right, right, X, X, O, R1 in order to use the tool that is working the same way it always did.

If I had to reply to so many people, always saying the same thing because they seem to all get it wrong collectively, I would maybe look into the other direction and ask why the tool behaves so poorly and unintuitive

@Patrick22616748c1sx: "You have 14 pages of complaints that all go in the same direction...you will come to us with your list of tricks and tell us to get a Playstation controller and press L1, left, right, right, X, X, O, R1 in order to use the tool that is working the same way it always did."

Facts are stubborn things, and you're not accurately representing them.

Since LR 14 was released, there were 33 people posting here who thought Remove had changed for the worse but provided very little detail, and they didn't respond to requests for sample photos or screenshots.

But there were 32 33 34 people who posted photos or screenshots, many at our request. With all of these, we were able to show how to remove the objects easily using the simple techniques described in the tutorial article. Some of these users had been convinced that LR 14 had changed Remove for the worse, while in fact they would have gotten the same behavior in LR 13.

As the help article says, "Like any tool, you need to know how to use it properly to get the best results." Given the experience with the 32 33 34 who posted photos or screenshots, I think it's reasonable to conclude that many of the 33 people who provided no details didn't know how to use the tool properly. And rather than silently ignore them, it's reasonable to refer them to the help article, which takes just a few minutes to read, and encourage them to submit problem photos if it doesn't help. (You have never posted a problem photo.)

The Remove user interface could certainly be improved, and there are some common themes among the people who provided photos:

- Many don't know that you should apply Remove first, then crop and mask.

- LR 14 enabled Detect Objects by default, which adds a larger border around objects, and it doesn't work well with skinny objects or objects on the edge. But many users didn't know that they'd often get better results by turning it off.

- For some users, the Opacity slider was getting set to less than 100, probably by LR due to a bug, a problem that also existed in LR 13.

But despite these rough edges, many, many people have quickly learned how to use Remove productively. I'm hardly an apologist for Adobe, and I have made a number of critical posts about Remove. I submitted two bug reports of obviously wrong behavior that Adobe has designated "as designed".

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/variations-aren-t-shown-for-discontinuous-refinement-brush-strokes-of-generative-remove/m-p/14722930

https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-discussions/generative-remove-doesn-t-ignore-the-hidden-border-pixels-automatically-cropped-by-camera-raw/m-p/14925572

Below are the 32 33 34 posts from those who included photos or screenshots, followed by the 33 posts from those who believed Remove got worse in LR 14. I've excluded the many people who stumbled over the serious LR 14.0 bug with Update AI Settings, which was quickly fixed in LR 14.0.1 two days later. I've also excluded the smattering of network connectivity/firewall issues and problems caused by outdated graphics drivers, all of which predate LR 14.

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Posts including photos or snapshots

10/14/24: Didn't know about selecting shadows, didn't include original photo

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14915354#M382240

10/18/24: Article solved problems

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14926664#M383123

10/14/24: Object on edge of photo, easy to remove, not new to LR 14

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14916645#M382421

10/15/24: Opacity slider

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14918671#M382557

10/16/24: Remove on top of sky masks, not new to LR 14:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14920684#M382715

10/16/24: Didn't know how to uncheck Detect Objects or modify its selection

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14922006?attachment-id=214273#M382810

10/16/24: Didn't know how to uncheck Detect Objects or modify its selection

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14922006?attachment-id=214273#M382810

10/17/24: Opacity slider:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14923154?attachment-id=214273#M382895

10/19/24:Removing object from corner of photo, not new to LR 14:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14928313?attachment-id=214273#M383259

10/19/24: Remove on top of sky mask, not new to LR 14:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14928444?attachment-id=214273#M383264

10/19/24: Said the article solves the problems

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14928997#M383326

10/20/24: Removing objects along the edge

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14930683#M383507

10/20/24: Opacity slider

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14930776#M383522

10/21/24: Cropped before Remove

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14931591#M383566

10/21/24: Cropped and masked before Remove

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14932440#M383633

10/21/24: Showed how to remove power lines easily

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14932909#M383666

10/23/24: Remove on sky mask or not blending well -- not new to LR 14

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14937191?attachment-id=214273#M383921

10/24/24: Didn't select all bits of the person in the background. Professional photographer who said she understood how to use Remove correctly.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14939060?attachment-id=214273#M384054

10/26/24: Applied Remove on top of cropping and masking

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14939918?attachment-id=214273#M384113

10/24/24: Applied Remove on top of cropping and masking, didn't select entire object.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14941089?attachment-id=214273#M384238

10/27/24: Used Detect Objects rather than brushing straight lines to remove a pole

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14946942?attachment-id=214273#M384793

10/28/24: Didn't select the shadow cast by a car

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14946678?attachment-id=214273#M384776

10/29/24: Didn't select all of the car to be removed

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14950643?attachment-id=214273#M385005

10/30/24: Remove on top of a sky mask

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14951372?attachment-id=214273#M385034

10/30/24: Didn't know about unchecking Detect Objects, hadn't read anything about the tool before

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14953653?attachment-id=214273#M385167

11/1/24: Didn't know about unchecking Detect Objects.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14956491?attachment-id=214273#M385356

11/1/24: Opacity slider

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14956531?attachment-id=214273#M385360

11/1/24: Cropped before Remove

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14957144?attachment-id=214273#M385392

11/3/24: Cropped before Remove

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14959120?attachment-id=214273#M385535

11/3/24: Cropped before Remove

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14959528?attachment-id=214273#M385593

11/5/24: Didn't include shadow

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14962515#M385759

11/5/24: Cropped before Remove, thought something must have changed in the last week

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14962741#M385794

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Posts saying that LR 14 made Remove worse but not including any details:

10/15/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917620#M382476

10/16/24: Probably Opacity slider

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14921527#M382756

10/17/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14923198#M382896

10/14/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14915557#M382250

10/14/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14916610#M382408

10/14/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14916716#M382425

10/18/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14927691#M383215

10/31/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14932372#M383629

10/14/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917081#M382440

10/15/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917699#M382482

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14920687#M382716

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14920737#M382719

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14921676#M382765

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14921961#M382805

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14921685#M382768

10/16/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14922039?attachment-id=214273#M382811

10/18/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14926759?attachment-id=214273#M383130

10/18/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14927089?attachment-id=214273#M383158

10/19/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14929406#M383360

10/20/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14930472#M383472

10/21/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14931842#M383578

10/21/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14933337#M383698

10/21/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14934613#M383781

10/21/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14939398?attachment-id=214273#M384069

10/25/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14942758?attachment-id=214273#M384400

10/26/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14944015?attachment-id=214273#M384514

10/27/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14944716?attachment-id=214273#M384592

10/27/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14944935?attachment-id=214273#M384616

10/28/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14946134?attachment-id=214273#M384718

10/30/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14951266?attachment-id=214273#M385029

10/30/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14951864?attachment-id=214273#M385053

10/31/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14953795?attachment-id=214273#M385174

11/2/24:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14958404?attachment-id=214273#M385467

Tobias28833591mb33

Participant

Seit dem letzten Update funktioniert das KI Entfernen Tool nicht mehr, wenn ich zuvor etwas in einer Maske Bearbeitet habe. Z.B. habe ich den Himmel Optimiert und will jetzt noch einen Teil von Meinem Blitz Reflektor ausschneiden. Da nimmt dann das Entfernen Tool der KI einen Ausschnitt vom unbearbeitetn himmel und setzt eine komplette Linie. Das geht GAR NICHT und muss sofort behoben werden.

johnrellis

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@Tobias28833591mb33: "Since the last update, the AI removal tool no longer works if I have previously edited something in a mask. For example, I have optimized the sky and now want to cut out part of my flash reflector."

This is not new to LR 14 -- LR 13 behaved the same way. These ghosts appear when you apply Remove on top of an AI mask. To fix the ghost, recompute the AI mask by doing the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings.

LR warns you that you need to update the mask by putting a red dot under the Masking button and, when you select the mask, showing a warning message and the Update button:

AndreapennA Photography

Participant

It is so painful to use that I've decided to roll back to v.13.5
It doesn't detect the object, the brush size doesn't reflect my choice.
Don't ask us to test it for you, the release date imposed by the MAX has caused a few incredible issues already...

smyleseh

Participant

Generative AI just replaced the car. Lol. Something fancier would have been appreciated.

johnrellis

Legend

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@smyleseh: "Generative AI just replaced the car."

Your second screenshot shows that you didn't select the entire car (including the disconnected bits).

When you select the entire car (with or without Detect Objects), Remove does a good job of removing it. Here's the selection, followed by the first and third variants:

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

cathyb81757029

Participant

I must be doing something wrong because I get absolutley no change when I try to use this function. The only change is a possible darkening of the area that I highlighted.

johnrellis

Legend

@Sergio Novelli, @neilh55354168, @DZRhino, @cathyb81757029:

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

DZRhino

Participant

Doesn't seem to work like I expect. Tried removing limb from river scene and it replaced it with a bigger limb. I tried again on a smaller part of the limb and it left kind of a gray hole instead.

neilh55354168

Known Participant

Sometimes this is great.

Often it just substitutes a smaller version of the object or something with similar color. My favorite is when I mask something like a spotlight and it removes the wires and fixture but I have a bright circle, the bulb, left. I've also had it change the color of people's pants in the edit zone.

Sergio Novelli

Participant

Sério!? Essa PORCARIA não remove nada no LR, pelo contrário, só substitui objetos indesejados na cena por outro ainda pior. Não consigo entender por que no PS funciona bem e no LR não. Chamar isso de BOSTA é um elogio.

Steven26932733m37i

Participant

It would be nice to have select subject, background etc. in the remove. Thanks.

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