Apple Pro Res 4444

[defaultxprws99n0njq]

Hi,

Does anyone know why apple pro res 4444 is working anymore in Adobe Premiere?

When I import the file it alwasy has an error, so am not even able to open it.

Thanks!

[R Neil Haugen]

May depend on whether that has an alpha channel or not. And is this mxf or mov form?

Neil

[defaultxprws99n0njq]

Thanks Neail, it does have an alpha channel. I am exporting from Motion to Premiere in .mov

I guess these two softwares don't get along anymore.

[R Neil Haugen]

Something like this can depend on which format and other decisions are made during encoding. And be a bugger to puzzle out, at times. Which gets very annoying quickly.

I know some users have found that ProRes in mxf does a lot better for alpha and for moving between video post apps.

Neil

[defaultxprws99n0njq]

Actually the asnwer is: Adobe doesn't take anymore Apple Pro Res 4444. Will have to start all over again in After Effects and try animation. 

[R Neil Haugen]

@Fergus Hammond would be the person that would know about that.

Neil

[defaultxprws99n0njq]

Thnaks Neil. Adobe does take Pro Ress 4444 but not from Motion (I think)

[R Neil Haugen]

Thanks for the details. Always helps.

[Warren Heaton]

Hmmm... nothing has changed about file format support for Apple ProRes.

It's been awhile since I've exported ProRes 4444 from Motion, but I'll give it try and report back.

Back before Apple deprecated QuickTime, we could simply change the .motn extension to .mov and the file imported into After Effects or Premiere Pro.  It's really unforunate that we lost that functionality.

[Warren Heaton]

@defaultxprws99n0njq 

Hello:

I just exported a ProRes 4444 movie from Motion and it imports into Premiere Pro as expected.

I'm running the following software:

• Apple Motion version 5.6.3
• Premiere Pro 23.2.0 (Build 69)
• macOS Big Sur version 11.7.3

However, I would expect the rendered movie to import into any currently available version of Premiere Pro (macOS or Windows).

The Motion project (.motn) and rendered ProRes 4444 file (.mov) may be downloaded from here for testing on your end:

• defaultxprws99n0njq - Import ProRes 4444 from Apple Motion
  

I have included a screen shots below for reference (including the Export Movie dialog box from Motion) below.

-Warren

Pictured: Motion 5.6.3 Project

Pictured: Export Movie settings in Motion

Pictured: Rendered ProRes 4444 movie file placed in Premiere Pro 23.2

[R Neil Haugen]

I just imported the mov that Warren links, and it works fine on my PC.

Neil

[defaultxprws99n0njq]

Thanks Warren! I also tested your file and it does work, but for some reason mine doesn't. I did the same operation and same format in AE and it now works, but not in with particualr motion file.

[Douglas371127185nhm]

I just had the same problem but found that if I created an Apple Animation file instead that worked just fine and included the alpha as well. Wish Adobe would fix this.

[Rob37444445z5ve]

I just ran into this today as a client that edits in Premiere can't open a ProRes 4444 file I've sent them that was exported from Motion. 

@Douglas371127185nhm - where are you seeing "Apple Animation" as an option in Motion? I'm running Motion 5.7 for reference. 

I solved the problem by opening my ProRes 4444 file in compressor and exporting an OpenEXR Image Sequence, then importing that to After Effects and rendering out a "Lossless with Alpha" file. That works in Premiere.

What a pain. Did Apple break something in Motion exports of ProRes 4444, or did Adobe break something? Either way, ridiculous and needs to be fixed.

[R Neil Haugen]

@Fergus H to your attention ...

[Warren Heaton]

@Rob37444445z5ve 

I have not been able to reproduce this.  

Movies exported from Motion on two of my Macs using ProRes 4444 work as expected on the Premiere Pro side;  however, with the deprecation of QuickTime as a system driver for time based media, QuickTime moves area now supported at the appliction level rather than system driver level.  So... something wonky could be happening.

[Douglas371127185nhm]

Oh, I was exporting in Apple Animation Codec from Compressor, not Motion.

[Kevin-Monahan]

Hi @defaultxprws99n0njq, @Douglas371127185nhm, and @Rob37444445z5ve,

Our experts cannot reproduce the issue. Are you still having trouble with this issue or can we close this bug?

Thanks,
Kevin

[Rob37444445z5ve]

@Kevin-Monahan Thanks for following up. I found a workaround, and don't anticipate working with that client again, so it's fine with me if you close it. If you want I could send you the file I was having issues with for your testing.

[Kevin-Monahan]

That would be great @Rob37444445z5ve, thanks.

I was also hoping to hear from Mr. @defaultxprws99n0njq. Perhaps they provide a file too.

Thanks,
Kevin

[Karen245699667hsh]

I am also having this issue. I was able to export out of Keynote as Apple ProRes 4444 with alpha just fine, but as of the last couple weeks, my editors can't open the file. Is there a workaround?

[Rob37444445z5ve]

@Karen245699667hsh I was working in Motion, not Keynote, and exported it as an OpenEXR image sequence, then imported those into After Effects and exported a ProRes 4444 from it and sent that to my client. 

[Rob37444445z5ve]

@KEviN Is there an email address I can send the link to?

[Karen245699667hsh]

Oh gotcha! Thank you!