Nudity and Semi nudity using AI and its imposed restrictions.

[Starsson]

Hello Adobe and its collective users

I am writing to you not only as a devoted user of Adobe’s suite of creative tools but also as a professional photographer whose work has been recognized and displayed in museum settings. My specialization in classic nudes has allowed me to explore the human form in a manner that celebrates beauty, form, and artistic expression. However, I have encountered a significant challenge with the AI restrictions placed on editing images that contain nudity, even when such images are created within a professional, artistic context.

As an artist whose work often involves nuanced and sensitive subjects, I understand and respect the complexities of creating ethical AI tools that serve a wide user base. However, the current limitations significantly impact my creative process and professional workflow, particularly when it comes to editing backgrounds for nude or semi-nude images. These restrictions not only prolong my work but also inhibit my artistic expression, compelling me to seek alternative solutions that may not offer the same level of quality and integration as Adobe’s products.

I propose the consideration of the following points, which I believe could benefit both Adobe and its professional users:

Artistic Integrity and Professional Use: Recognition of the professional and artistic context in which tools are used can help differentiate between content that is genuinely creative and that which the restrictions aim to prevent.

Ethical Use Policy: An ethical use policy that accommodates professional artists and photographers, possibly through a verification process, ensuring that our work is not unduly censored while maintaining legal and ethical standards.

Custom Solutions for Professionals: The development of specialized software versions that allow more flexibility for editing sensitive content, with appropriate safeguards to prevent misuse.

Feedback and Advisory Panel: Establishing a panel of professionals from the art and photography community to provide ongoing feedback and insights on how Adobe’s tools can better serve creative professionals.

Transparent Guidelines: The creation of clear, transparent guidelines that navigate the legal and ethical landscape, especially regarding sensitive content, to ensure users can understand and comply with Adobe’s policies.

I am fully committed to engaging in a constructive dialogue and am willing to be part of a solution that respects both the creative needs of artists and the ethical considerations of digital content. I believe that by working together, we can find a balanced approach that supports artistic expression while adhering to shared values and responsibilities.

Thank you for considering my perspective on this matter. I am hopeful for an opportunity to discuss this further and explore how we can make Adobe’s tools even more inclusive and accommodating for professional artists and photographers.    Steven Williams 

[D Fosse]

Absolutely. Adobe emerges as one of the most responsible operators in this field.

They're also invested in the Content Authenticity Initiative, which may just be what can save credible journalism. Every AI generated image is clearly watermarked. Even if you do have to look it up, it's there if you need to know.

[PECourtejoie]

Yes, Adobe is the adult in the room. A company that caters for artists knows that AI is way to easy to be used by any bad person to hurt another than by artists to please others.

[c.pfaffenbichler]

»If Marcel Duchamp was alive today, I'm sure he'd get right on it.«

Wasn’t he deeply into chess in his later years? 

So AI might have been doubly interesting to him … 

[D Fosse]

He was.

As an artist, he was quite obsessed with chance and randomness, but by putting it into a much larger context he was able to turn it into valid artistic tools. And that points to a possible way for artists to approach AI.

He worked on the Large Glass for 8 years, so maybe there are people busy at work out there now...

[JuliO111]

I generated AI images in fashion segment. Unfortunately, I suspect that on the Internet and specifically on Adobe there may be different concepts about permitted nudity in advertising photography. So what are the rules regarding nudity? I have those questions.

Can you be specific about the categories?
1. Female nipp 
2. Male nipp
3. Girl in bikini or underwear (regular design, nothing visible, just sport style)
4. A girl in slightly see-through underwear (skin visible but not nipp, lace is always see-through, I repeat that we are talking about an advertising photo for clothes)
5. A girl in see-through underwear (where you can see the kinds outline of the nipp, but nothing at the bottom of course). For example bra / or crop top but without bra, theres nipp shape
6. A girl with a completely bare breast, but with some kind of decorative detail covering the nipp for 100%. So the entire shape of the breast is visible, but there is a decorative heart or mini bikini on the nipp.

7. The naked back of a woman (from behind, but it is clear that she is not wearing a bra, bottom is normal clothing, for example, imagine a photo of a back massage).

8. There are different policies in photography about what the bottom of pantie should look like. If we are talking about advertising of the 00s, then there is, let’s say, a straight line (which in reality does not exist in life almost in any clothings types). If we are talking about advertising in the 2020s, then there is already a more realistic picture with a visible form. What does Adobe think about this?

Each question talks about advertising of swimsuits, underwear, summer clothes in different forms (crop tops, bikini tops, mini-bras). In general, there are two categories: romantic lingerie for 30s 40s women / and bright, rich summer colors for 20s 30s girls. 

Thank you in advance!

[Jill_C]

You are not addressing Adobe directly here in this forum, and will not receive a response to your long list of questions. Have you read the Adobe Stock guidelines in nudity? Here's the text:

"Nudity

For submissions containing nudity that has artistic value, the model must be at least 18 years old and the model release must include the model's photo ID so we can verify age. Never submit any sexually explicit, pornographic, or immoral material, including material that sexualizes minors."

I would summarize "nudity that has artistic value" as follows: no genitalia, no nipp les, , no sexually suggestive or exploitive poses. 

[daniellei4510]

A simple search for "nudes" on Adobe Stock will answer all of these strangely specific and detailed questions.

[Abambo]

1-8: I really do not see a need to create nudes or semi nudes. Advertising for fashion will anyhow use the real thing.

[Nancy OShea]

Stock is a global company.  In some regions, nudity is taboo.  Even if it's accepted by Stock, your content won't get passed strict regional vetting processes which could adversely impact visibility & sales. Provocative content won't appeal to everyone.  Just something to consider.

[Abambo]

In addition what has been said: submit and see what gets accepted.

[daniellei4510]

I've often wondered about this. As a former figure/fashion/fine art photographer for over 20 years, will models be among the first to start losing business because of AI? Not now, but eventually. No, we will never see a Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition featuring AI models. People who eat that stuff up want the real thing. I'm thinking more along the line of catalog models, male and female alike, who even now, while real people, are basically interchangable, like living mannequins that can be dressed in different outfits from one day to the next, from one season to the next, or from one fashion trend to the next.

[Abambo]

There wont be a Sports Illustrated in 20 years.But yes, the small modelling jobs may suffer.

[Rangga36724153lvwy]

Adrienn Giay Nude

[c.pfaffenbichler]

@Rangga36724153lvwy , what do you want to communicate? 

[oleschwander]

I think you will have a hard time creating nudity by AI. Most - if not all - most common AI generators will not allow anything near nudity.

[Abambo]

You can have your own AI for that.

[JuliO111]

I believe that we are 4-6 months from first nude-half nude (lets say sexy) model on cover at some magazine.

[JuliO111]

Well, I'm not interesting of doing something provocative, its just 2024 you know. At many places I see those photos already. Its not about to sell it to Iraq people.

[JuliO111]

Yep you are very right!

[JuliO111]

Actually they do, when its not about nudity itself, but beauty, also. For example nakes woman's spine or some half-transtaprent bikini is ok. 

[JuliO111]

Mmm, I'm new one here, I didn't know that. I thought the old accounts here work in Adobe. At least that's how they communicate and try to look alike  sometimes 🙂 And yes, thank you very much for the answer

[Jill_C]

The forum members that have the  "Community Expert" badge are Contributors, just like you; however, we also have significant experience in using the forum and with Adobe Stock T&C's, guidelines and procedures. We are NOT Adobe employees and have no insider knowledge beyond the policies and guidelines that have been publicly issued by Adobe.

[JuliO111]

Yes, thank you! I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your work at this Community! 

[Jill_C]

How nice of you to say that. I appreciate it.

[sjedens]

I noticed that Photoshop.  just like many places in AI, does not support nudity.    That's a huse mistake.  Photoshop is used in art with nudity all the time.     I am sure the root of this has to do with the AI community but i would advise Adobe to re-consider..    That are many tools now which ignore the AI community guidelines on nudity.