DISCUSS: New export workflow

Adobe Employee ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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The new export workflow streamlines the process of delivering completed videos by focusing on the destinations of the content. Optimized render settings for popular social platforms like YouTube, Facebook and Twitter are presented. Advanced settings are easily accessed for customizing exports. 

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This isn’t the end of the road for this redesign, though – not by a long shot.  We are still working on the exact layout of the settings accordions and finding the exact right place for everything.  And the most exciting part . . . background rendering!  Yes, that’s right, no more waiting for encoding progress bars to grow.  Check back often for updates.

 

More detailed info on the workflows: New import & export in Premiere Pro (Beta)

FAQ: FAQ | New import and export in Premiere Pro (Beta)

 

We want to know what you think about the new Export workflow.  Please join the conversation below.

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Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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As far as I can tell, when exporting, there is no way to type a specific value into the 'Target Bitrate' field, which is something I often want to do when exporting. Will this be fixed in a future release?

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Engaged ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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Yes yes yes, need to be able to type into a field to get exact rate you want.


- Jonah Lee Walker
Video Editor, Colorist, Motion Graphics Artist

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Explorer ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I admittedly am not going to be downloading the beta, but I wanted to check the forums to hear what people thought. I'm glad you mentioned this @hellopaul4  and I think it encapsulates my overall sentiment when it comes to modernizations/streamlining of UIs:

 

If you want to make the interface simpler or more modernized, sure, that's fine with me. Some folks may be split on this but honestly at the end of the day we'll all need to adjust to new, modernized UIs eventually.

 

However it should NEVER come at the cost of removing functionality or fine levels-of-control. Typing vs. sliding might seem like a small thing, but when it comes to users who do ths regularly and come to expect to be able to do it (since you could before), yeah I'd say that's something that needs to be corrected - and hopefully will be by public release.

 

If we're going the Rush-esque approach of Destination-based-exports (which is totally fine with me) it'd be great to have customization over that too. For example, the ability to make your own "destination" toggle with your own settings. So this way even if Adobe doesn't add a particular platform like Instagram/IGTV or "Other Random Video Platform", you could at least build it yourself and have it appear in that list. For all I know this may an entire rework of how Export Settings / Premiere / Media Encoder works, but like I said, if we're going that route, that's fine and dandy if we can customize and control.

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Explorer ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I lied... curiosity got the best of me. Wound up downloading the beta after all. Ha!

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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Hi there,

yes numeric input fields are something currently looked at. We fully understand there's a need to input exact Bitrate values. 

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Contributor ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I find the new export menu to be less effective. Right now you have to click extra buttons to reveal bitrates, and the numbers can't be typed. Pulling the bitrate sliders, makes it cumbersome to set the right value.

Font is at the moment a little too thin to be easily read.

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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Hi, 

I can assure you that there is still work in progress and numeric inputs is something super important. We fully understand there's a need for exact input of Bitrate values.

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Jun 24, 2021 Jun 24, 2021

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On the subject of bitrate values, the Estimated File Size does not update when changing bitrate values. I assume this will be fixed in a future release.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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IMO, too much targeted towards social media.

Its loosing its professional look.

Media File : Lot of twirling down.

And as the previous poster mentioned : no way to fill in an exact number for bitrate. Slider is too fiddly.

Next time I open the Export all drop down menus are closed.

How do I export subclips from the project panel. As of now a dialog box appears, is that going to disappear?

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 24, 2021 Jun 24, 2021

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Hi Ann! I agree, the new Export mode should remember the expand/collapse state of the accordion ssections from session to session, so that sounds like a bug. We plan to add support for multiple selected sequences or clips from the Project panel, using the new Export mode. In the meantime, multiple selections will open the old Export Settings dialog so you can still do that, and your clips or sequences will be sent to AME's queue for batch encoding. Sliders are still a work in progress, so please stay tuned.

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Engaged ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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The whole making this basically a workspace thing is certainly a bit confusing. Export was always it's own window, so to close I hit the red button and closed the application, having missed the exit button on the lower left.

 

Honestly I think it would be clearer if it was treated as a workspace, so if you want to leave, you just go to your other workspace (of course this was easier and quicker before I had to click twice to go to a workspace instead of once as I have been able to do for sometime), but the workspaces are greyed out when you are there, though I can still see the windows from my previous workspace in my second monitor, but can't do anything with them when in the export dialogue. And instead it is now like their are different versions of workspaces, you have Import/Edit/Export and then the workspaces for Edit. I just think it might be easier if they were all workspaces, instead of having different levels of worksapces.

 

I understand it now, but I still think that is confusing, and the workspaces which I use more during my day to day editing require 2 clicks, while import or export are treated as more important.

 

And why is the Exit button on the bottom left of the Export Window and the Bottom Right of the Input window? I know you don't need it, but there should be some unification here.

 

Or maybe even put a drop down on Edit with your workspaces?


- Jonah Lee Walker
Video Editor, Colorist, Motion Graphics Artist

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Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I like a lot of thing about the new export workflow, but it doens't seem that one can edit some parameters...e.g. LUFS seem to fixed in the loudness normalization. Is this just not implemented yet?

 

And I can't seem to get custom presets to save...user error or not ready yest?

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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Hi thank you for your post!

Yes Save Custom Presets is a Known Issue we're currently working on!

Best,

Chris

 

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Jun 24, 2021 Jun 24, 2021

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I agree that the 'Exit' button being hidden in the bottom left is silly - it should be with those other buttons in the lower right. I did exactly the same - closed the whole application the first time I saw this export thing. Also, pressing Escape should take you back to the Edit workspace.

 

Another thing - are the Presets going to be shared across Media Exporter and Premiere? AME's presets currently don't appear in Premiere's Presets.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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The new import workflow ... meh.

 

I do in some ways like the general layout of the new export workflow. And I've been able to create presets easily. It does seem easier to understand "visually".

 

And I do like being able to set mulitple outputs to different format/codecs at the same time from within PrPro. That's a big improvement.

 

Neil

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New Here ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I think you have forgotten Instagram as an export preset, as a pain IGTV is

 

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Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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I think the location/output based presets make sense. If presets are saved, it's many less clicks to get a multiple output exports set up than doing it in Media Encoder and these days I'm doing alot of split format exports because everyone is working remotely and needs access to watching online. The fresh coat of paint on the section is fine, I'm indifferent, most of the features are here and I imagine we'll at least reach parity with current feature set by the end of beta.

 

Seems like not being able to type in values is moreso because it's an unfinished beta feature... I don't think I need a bitrate to three decimal places haha and UI graphics is still rough. For h264, AAC audio and similar, I'm not a fan of having to twirl down for bitrate, that's a really fundamental setting I don't think is worthy of hiding, feels alienating and slowing as a pro user. "Keyframes" could be moved up to encoder settings, it's just as advanced as the color settings. Bitrate and keyframes vertically before all the advanced color settings that are locked/preset by default, it's no fun to scroll for more used settings.

 

It's totally missing scale to fit/scale to fill/stretch to fill.

 

When I twirl down to set a custom frame size, the aspect ratio lock is broken. It opens as locked, I can adjust only one side. When I unlock and adjust it, the contro snaps locked and then adjusts properly like it's locked. And then the preview stops refreshing.

 

Quick export I love the idea of, I don't like these uneditable set of default presets that have no reflection to existing Adobe presets, it's stuff like this that just bloats menus. Also, can we have some streamlining with the presets as a whole? Like now we have the normal transcode presets for export, we have location presets for export, and we have a really cumbersome way of creating (but not managing) epr based ingest presets which are just a transcoding preset with a location setting... see what I mean? I need need a hub where this is actually managed, not digging through system and user folders.

 

The "Preset Manager" that Export and Quick Export launches... that interface isn't optimized with everything in a single list, repurpose the Media Encoder preset panel or try to make something better than Media Encoder's preset groups.

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Explorer ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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Also being able to group presets in the left side of the Export window. If I can't totally remove all the social publishing options, at least make it a group I can twirl up and ignore, Especially if it sits at the top and eats up screen real estate that's better suited for user presets.

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Explorer ,
Jun 22, 2021 Jun 22, 2021

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New Export Workflow feedback. This is probably my favorite part of the beta:

 

Positives:

  • I think the Destination-based approach works well.
  • I really like the new UI overall as a whole too for the most part.
  • I spoke to soon in another comment, it seems as if you CAN add additional custom "destinations" (as media files) and rename them. That's great! Not sure if that persists across projects, but I hope it does!
  • Small thing, but I like the confirmation of WHAT is being exported in the top-left. Will hopefully prevent any incorrect export selections.
  • I nearly cried TEARS OF JOY when I saw an updated Preset Manager for export presets. I admittedly didn't dabble with it, but THIS is what I've been praying Premiere would get at some point. Hopefully export presets are just the start. Kudos!
    • (Although I will say, I didn't see a way to save presets directly into the manager. Wasn't clear to me how Saving a preset worked)

 

Suggested Additions:

  • On-export crop/scale options. This was a part of the old Export Workflow, and to the best of my knowledge I didn't see it here. I think there'd be ample room for this in the preview space on the right side.
  • Ability to manually type in bitrate values.
  • Right-clicking a destination should bring up the same menu as the [...] button.
  • I think my only UI gripe might be, get rid of the "More/Less" button under settings. There already is a collapse/expander you need to click to get there anyway, so adding a SECOND click seems a bit redundant. If you're someone who's bothering to twirl down Video options, you're there to play ball so to speak: no need to hide the options at that point.
  • The custom frame size WxH aspect lock seems... weird? Maybe I just don't know how to use it? Or it's broken.
  • I'm cheekily adding a feature request here: but custom filenaming presets for exports would be great! (Not just tacking on the preset name to the end, but an actual way to designate how you want your filename to be generated based on preset)

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Community Beginner ,
Jun 23, 2021 Jun 23, 2021

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When you select two clips in the project menu and right click and go to export. It takes you back to the old export dialogue/UI. Is this because there's no good way to export multiple selected clips individually?

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Jun 23, 2021 Jun 23, 2021

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The GOOD:

  1. The new Preset Manager window seems nice.  Maybe a little overkill, but still might be helpful.
  2. The ability to export more than one format at once will be appreciated by some, especially those needing to export identical versions of a video with and without burnt-in captions.

 

The BAD:

  1. The Location file path is harder to read in blue underlined text vs the white text for all other elements on the Export page.  Could this text also be white for better legibility or at least lose the underline?
  2. The accordion design for Settings will quickly get on people's nerves since it hides a lot of information.  For example, the 'Actions' tab needs to be twirled open just for the user to see if 'Import into Project' is checked or not.  Not being able to see information like this at a glance is going to cause a lot of mistakes with exports getting imported (or not imported) by mistake.  The accordion design should allow more than one tab to be open at once or at least group info more logically so more of what a user wants to see can be seen at once.  Is it really necessary to have an entire tab dedicated to nothing other than an 'Import into Project' checkbox?  This is poor design.
  3. Just like with the new captioning interface, there are text drawing errors in the Export interface.  For example, part of the 'F' is missing in 'Frame Sampling' next to 'Time Interpolation:'
  4. With an entire redesign, couldn't users get new tooltips to explain what 'Render at Maximum Depth', 'Use Maximum Render Quality', etc actually do?  This would be very helpful for new users!
  5. In the Video tab, why is 'Bitrate Settings' hidden under the '...More' dropdown?  Bitrate Settings are essential info, and therefore shouldn't be hidden by default.
  6. Under the Audio tab, is it really necessary to hide a single option, 'Bitrate Settings', under a '...More' dropdown?  This is silly, especially considering that just like with video, Bitrate is an essential parameter that should be visible by default.
  7. Users should be able to organize the Export presets by hiding presets they'll never use, and reorganizing their presets in whichever order they chose.  I, and I imagine most users, will never use at least half of the displayed presets, so why pollute our interface with them?  I can choose 'Remove Media File Destination' for my custom presets, but not for the default presets.  This is bad design.  If default presets can't be deleted, at least give us a way to 'hide' them.  Why not add a 'More Destinations' button/folder at the bottom of this column into which users can drag&drop presets they don't want to constantly see?  Clicking on this button would twirl open its contents, revealing all of the demoted templates.  Drag&dropping a template out from this folder would allow it to be promoted to constant view.  This would be a much more thoughtful design rather than polluting our interface with Twitter, Behance, Creative Cloud and other presets many users will never use, with no option of hiding them from view.
  8. Finally the export button that is highlighted by default is 'Export' rather than 'Queue' or 'Send to Adobe Media Encoder', BUT users can't simply hit enter to activate it.  One step forward, two steps back! 😞
  9. Why can't users manually input bitrate values anymore?  In the previous Export Settings window, users can, and using the slider displays values down to 100th of a percent (e.g. 20.26 Mbps).  In the new interface, users can't manually input round values, and values with the slider are now calculated down to 1000th of a percent (e.g. 20.265 Mbsp).  This is GUARANTEED to annoy anyone and everyone who likes whole numbers and gets irritated by ridiculously minute decimal points!
  10. Creating a new preset doesn't work.  Clicking on 'Save preset' in the dropdown menu opens the 'Export Presets' window.

 

VERDICT:

The new interface currently provides a grand total of ONE great new feature over the previous Export Settings window it plans to replace: the ability to export to more than one format at once.  Other than this one new great feature, and the Preset Manager (which in all fairness could have simply been added to the current Export Settings window), it provides no visible improvements.  Information is harder to see at a glance (can't see if 'Import into Project' is checked or not while any other tab is open, for example) and it takes more clicks to get things done overall.  Which begs the questions: Was a complete redesign really necessary?

 

Once all of the issues are sorted out, does the new interface have the potential to be better than the current one?  Yes.  But at what expense to the users who are often waiting years for basic things to be fixed?  The previous Export Settings window could have used a couple of little improvements, sure, but it was never broken to the point of requiring a complete redesign, or was it?

 

Imagine if instead of working on this completely new interface, resources were spent working on new tools that could make our work much easier almost all of the time while editing!  Here's an example: https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/43046490-super-tools-bar-i-...

 

I'd love to see the Pr teams resources spent on things that matter most first!

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New Here ,
Jun 24, 2021 Jun 24, 2021

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Hey, the new workflow seems amazing, but here are my confusions:

 

#01 I general export two or more timeline, slecet them from the project area then export to Media encoder, but I didn't see any muti-output option.

 

#02 In perview version, the name of output file will be defaulted as the same name of time line, but now it seems to dump into some issue. AFTER I export one, next time when  I export, no matter what time line I choose, the default name won't change corrspondingly. 

 

Really appreciate Pr team for adding new features while making it native avaliable for Apple Silicon.

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Adobe Employee ,
Jun 24, 2021 Jun 24, 2021

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If I understand correctly, you're asking about exporting more than one selected sequence? We do plan to add this, along with multiple selections of clips in the Project panel. Currently, if you select more than 1 item in the Project panel, the old Export Settings dialog will open up and the export will be sent to Adobe Media Encoder's queue for batch encoding there. I'm not able to reproduce your issue where the File Name isn't updated correctly after you export once, then export something else next.

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New Here ,
Jun 30, 2021 Jun 30, 2021

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Thanks for your reply!

 

You guys seemed to have the first issue fixed. When I select mutil timelines the old dialog just shows up and works like before. 

 

As for the second issue I reproduced it.  The default filename does not match timeline(ignored the language please). And here are steps to reproduce.

 

1. selecet one timeline

2. switch to export panel

3. swich back to edit

4. select another timeline

5. switch to export panel

6. and here comes this issue

wardzhou_0-1625051160170.png

 

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